Bernard
I agree with all the sentiments expressed in your e-mail, with one
slight modification. That is, almost anyone can be taught almost
anything, provided that.....
But, that exception aside, your stuff was a 'good read'.
My regards,
Lloyd
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:09:02 +0000 Bernard Doherty
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> Just to make my position clear before the napalm falls, I think anyone
> can be taught anything, providing the teachers have the time and other
> resources and the learner has the will and commitment. The point of
> responses to the post was surely that the student was following what is
> nominally a postgraduate course. I say nominally, because it is
> perfectly possible to enroll on such a course without any substantive
> experience of academic work, in which case the student is likely to be
> in trouble.
>
> This is where I side with St John: if HEIs take on students for courses
> (and take their money) when in practice they are in no position to
> deliver the teaching required, they should revise their admission
> procedures, not palm the problem off on disability support or expect
> the DSA to make good the holes in their provision. Telling prospective
> students that they do not have an adequate background to follow a
> course is not discrimination in itself: what should happen is that such
> people are told what background they will need to acquire before they
> will manage the course. If people are likely to find courses harder
> than does the average student, it does them no favours to lower the
> standard of admittance (especially if no extra learning support has
> been put in place).
>
> At another level, if dyslexia is not defined as an inverse correlation
> of IQ (or IQs) to literacy, then what it is it? I had assumed people
> were defined as being dyselxic by deviation from the normative
> performance of a peer population, peer here identified by IQ. Has this
> changed in some way that the EP reports I see daily have failed to
> convey?
>
> Regards, Bernard
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:44:21 +0000 Peter Hill <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > > What is the feeling about minimum IQ levels for dyslexic students - I
> > know
> > > this is a minefield but an MBA student with a full scale IQ of 83 ?
> > >
> > > Dr. John S Conway
> > > DO
> > > Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester, Glos. GL7 6JS
> > > Phone +44 (0) 1285 652531 ext 2234
> > > Fax +44 (0) 1285 650219
> > > http://www.royagcol.ac.uk/~john_conway/
> > > <http://www.royagcol.ac.uk/~john_conway/>
> > >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Are you suggesting that a dyslexia diagnosis should be tied to a
> > minimum IQ, or that a student with dyslexia should have an IQ of at
> > least, say 90, to enter HE?
> >
> > The former would involve redefining dyslexia (or adhering rigidly to an
> > existing discrepancy-based definition). The latter would be
> > discriminatory - unless, we test the IQ of all university entrants.
> >
> > A minefield, indeed.
> >
> > I am a little uneasy about tone and content of some exchanges on this
> > issue (on this and other forums). I sense a degree of panic - and what
> > could easily be interpreted as prejudice against those with dyslexia.
> >
> > I recognise that there are difficulties and that the pressure on the
> > DSA is likely to increase as demand continues to rise. I feel we
> > should beware though of knee-jerk responses rooted in a sort of quasi-
> > science based on subjective impressions.
> >
> > I'd suggest that it is possible to chalk up an IQ of 85 on the WAIS (or
> > other measure) and still be dyslexic. Further there are no rules
> > prohibiting a student with an IQ of 75 from taking up undergaduate
> > study. I really don't think it's a good idea - but it is certainly not
> > for me (or anyone on this forum) to close the gates on any individual.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Peter Hill
> >
> >
> > --
>
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