can we now kill this thread?
I think we have all made our points and been heard/seen.
OK by everyone?
ATB
Claire
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:54:51 +0100 Peter Hill <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Hi
>
> First off: if there is anyone on the list who felt personally hurt by my
> comments, please accept my unreserved apologies.
>
> Next: review the thread.
>
> St John's comments were sexist - he is quite honest enough not to deny that.
>
> My response was intended to be an amusing response with a tag
> acknowledging its sexist nature (and rebuking it - why else put it in?).
> My assumption was that the thread would end there. I should have
> guessed, however, that one or two would be only too happy to leap into
> the political fray.
>
> Claire's email, turning the scenario on its head was an excellent one
> (and very witty) - I wish I'd thought of it first.
>
> I won't bother commenting on Margaret's 'I agree' (sagely nodding dog)
> emails.
>
> Rob's email seems to suggest that I believe sexism is generally
> acceptable and that I brand those who disagree as 'killjoys'. He's
> obviously confusing me with someone else. However, I do feel it's
> important to keep at least one foot in the real world - and am happy to
> say that I am not yet totally institutionalised.
>
> Along with many others on this list, I encounter disabled people in
> difficult circumstances every day. I frequently use humour as a means of
> developing rapports with those I meet, and as a defence against the sort
> of experiences and pressures that often accompany the job that I do.
>
> At UCW, I worked very successfully as the only male in a team of ten. I
> can assure you that my colleagues shared my sense of humour and have
> never ever suggested that my behaviour was in any way sexist (and they
> are quite sufficiently aware and quite confident enough to have 'put me
> right' had I stepped out of line).
>
> Equality and respect for others is vital - though it's important, too,
> to maintain a sense of perspective.
>
> Finally: I'm certainly far from perfect (and wouldn't want to be) but
> neither am I sexist - and I really don't need a lecture (a pious and
> rather simplistic one at that) from a political opportunist on the
> issues of gender and equal opportunities.
>
> Sorry to sound so harsh (and still not particularly repentant). Perhaps
> it is I who needs to get out more!
>
> Regards
>
>
> Peter
>
>
> fidlerob wrote:
>
> > I find it rather strange that people who advocate equal opportunities
> > for students with disabilities cannot transfer their understanding
> > into the area of gender equality.
> > The comments made are based on a stereotype that women
> > should be beautiful and tied to the kitchen sink. Would anyone
> > dare transfer a similar stereotype to the area of disability; for
> > example that disabled people are unfortunate and we should all feel
> > sorry for them and pat them on the head when they try and say
> > something. I think there would be uproar, and quite right too.
> >
> > It's one thing to make a discriminatory comment and regret it, but
> > another to revel in it or pass it off as a bit of fun. I don't think
> > branding those who complain about sexism as killjoys is
> > acceptable.
> > Perhaps an apology and a commitment to keep your sexism to
> > yourself would be more appropriate.
> >
> > Rob Fidler (dyslexia support - Roehampton)
> >
> > On 23 Apr 2002, at 18:20, Peter Hill wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>Guilty. Though, I'm afraid, not particularly repentant.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>
> >>Peter Hill
> >>
> >>
> >>Margaret Herrington wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>well said Claire!!
> >>>
> >>>Margaret
> >>>
> >>> >>> [log in to unmask] 04/23/02 04:41pm >>>
> >>>In an ideal world you would both be at home preparing someone's dinner
> >>>and not allowed to send out sexist e-messages!!
> >>>
> >>>Claire
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:37:48 +0100 Peter Hill <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hi
> >>> >
> >>> > Skeates,St.John DEAL Awards Tm wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > In an idea world ...
> >>> > > Kylie Minogue would be at home right now preparing my dinner.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Wrong again, St John. In an ideal world, she'd be at home preparing
> >>>mine!
> >>> >
> >>> > (Tut, tut - sexist banter!)
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards
> >>> >
> >>> > Peter Hill
> >>> >
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