What perplexes me about the data protection professionals on this list is
their readiness to accept a system which is imperfect and to make excuses
and workarounds for it. I truly believe our job is to make the changes that
are necessary to show leadership in this new legislative arena. I have no
concerns with how the group is administered. My concerns are that we react
peculiarly to our own issues while advising and implementing organisations'
own data protection schemas
I find it equally peculiar that so many people say in various ways "this
discussion must stop". At stake here is not the professionalism of our
moderator, but instead the principle of the underlying infrastructure which
seems potentially to be deficient.
In no sense is this a club. There is no constitution, nor any other
attribute of a club. It is a loose group of people who have chosen to
contribute to a common theme and receive information on a common theme.
Were it a club it would also appear on the Information Commissioner's
register as such and would have a nominated Data Controller.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Angel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 29 January 2002 14:26
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Update on mail list administration for archiving
I think that this issue needs to be put to bed. It is only in 1984 where
history gets rewritten (I think!).
In a sense this is a club and the club rules say that the archives are
available to anyone to view. Consider this forum as a society meeting where
the emails are the minutes of the meeting.
This is no different to belonging to any professional organisation that
minutes its meeting and those meetings are published in its Journal, and
then that Journal can be read by the general public if they know which
libraries stock that journal.
If you want to join in the debate openly then contribute to the list
otherwise email the person directly.
I think that this group is administered well deserve thanks.
Tony Angel - Angel Associated services
-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Wright, Tim M
Sent: 29 January 2002 11:54
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Update on mail list administration for archiving
Tim - you really are asking the impossible here. If you send any email it's
likely to be cached and archived all over the place. In the case of this
list, many of those places will be outside the control of the list
controller - eg search engines, ISPs, MI5 etc - it's all part of the
Internet infrastructure. What you are asking for is analogous to initially
agreeing to having your details published in the telephone directory and
subsequently rescinding that permission. You can't expect all the copies of
the Phone Book to be recalled?
Tim
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Director - Technology Audit
Charles Schwab Europe
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-----Original Message-----
From: Trent,Tim [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 29 January 2002 11:38
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Update on mail list administration for
archiving
[snip]
If I say today "I do not give permission for my contact
details
to be divulged in the archives," then what happens?
My understanding of the DP Act 1998 means that ALL
references to me in the
archives must be deleted, OR the archive must be protected
such that my
agreement, which I may choose to give, that LIST members may
see my details
and only listmembers is honoured.
[snip]
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