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Subject:

Re: Salary Vs Risk

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"Trent,Tim" <[log in to unmask]>

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Trent,Tim

Date:

Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:10:34 +0100

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In case any or you want to see the true potential for disaster, the Spanish
version of Big Brother (TV, poor taste, etc etc etc) was fined EUR1,081,990
for four separate breaches of duty by the Spanish system. [Source: Sergi
Gimenez of MULLERAT, at a seminar hosted by Nabarro Nathanson].

While the UK fines are piffling, and one might seriously consider "pay and
be damned", several other things are at risk, including:

* Reputation of the organisation. Can it AFFORD the adverse publicity
* Auditable cost of defending an action for damages
* Auditable cost of defending a criminal prosecution
* Personal stress at a pay level which leads one to believe stress is not
being paid for
* Ah yes. The rights of the Data Subject. Had to get that one in somewhere
* Non UK administrations with a different view of enforcement

There are more "hard things" in facing a legal regime than you can shake a
stick at. Organisations who pay at a clerical level for a remarkably senior
job role are making false economies. At risk of being highly controversial,
doing one's job "too well" lulls them into paying too little.

I am not advocating a slapdash approach to work, though. Rather I see a
serious issue with internal risk assessment. But the lower paid Privacy
Officer is in a cleft stick. They DO the work of a more correctly paid and
graded person because that is their job description, and failing to perform
creates personal risk. But if the post is regraded and paid at what I argue
are the correct levels for the enormous responsibility, and if they argue
successfully for this, they are unlikely to be carried forward with the
post. "This is too senior a role for you Mr Smith, we have transferred you
at current pay levels"

_____________________________________________________________
Tim Trent
Chief Privacy Officer EMEA
Gartner
EMEA Marketing, Tamesis, The Glanty, Egham, Surrey, United Kingdom,
TW20 9AW
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-----Original Message-----
From: ALASDAIR WARWOOD [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 10 October 2002 00:17
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Salary Vs Risk


And how much does it cost to defend a court action? Plus what does it do to
the shareholder value/reputation of a commercial company that has a
reputation worth defending? Remember Gerald Ratner and his prawn
sandwich/gold earrings comparison!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan Smith" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: Salary Vs Risk


All this talk of salaries leads me to an interesting (controversial?)
thought.

Given that the largest fine handed out by the Information Commissioner
(Annual report 01/02) appears to be less than £8k (to poor old London
Borough of Havering), does it make economic sense to hire someone at
£25k (£50k with all associated benefits and 'usual' on-costs) to manage
responsibilities inherent with Data Protection Act 1998 (and FOI I
guess)?

I haven't seen any claims for compensation through the courts yet, nor
have I seen any really juicy 'reputational damage' issues.

I am reminded of Jeremy Clarke's 'bangernomics' (run a £250 car into the
ground and buy a new one, rather than pay £400 in servicing).

Regards,

Duncan S Smith
Principal Consultant

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