Did not intend to insult you, my reply was in response to
all the previous responses who seemed to be saying that
first aiders should not assist.  Of course some guidance or
training of some sort is required - even for a child.
But at least since my earlier provocative response thoughts
have now gone down the way of actually doing something
positive for the person in anaphalatic shock.

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:45:18 +0100 Patricia Ramsey
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Bryan
>
> Thanks for the insult - you won't of course mind if I take
> you through the courts for defimation of character will
> you?
>
> More seriously - as I suggested as I do not have time to
> write a book or respond to every topic on Dis-forum - speak
> to the St John Ambulance or the Red Cross or even the
> Health and Safety Excutive who have to approve the teaching
> of first aid.  The people for whom the medication is
> prescribed are taught to administer it but First Aiders are
> not.  First Aiders are not doctors or nurses and doctors
> and nurses are not First Aiders but talk to the experts
> they will give you chapter and verse,legal and otherwise.
>
> Pat Ramsey
>
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:22:57 +0100 Bryan Jones
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > So we are agreed then, let them die.  This is of course
> > ridiculous.  Stabbing someone with an Epi-Pen in the upper
> > arm, through their clothing if necessary, can be acheived
> > by a child.  But perhaps not by a Jobsworth.
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:52:25 +0100 Patricia Ramsey
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > I have been a qualified Frist Adier At Work for the past 10
> > > years.  First Adiers do not give injections nor do they
> > > give inhalers.  They can prepare these but must hand the
> > > 'gun' or inhaler to the person for whom it is prescribed to
> > > administer it themselves.  If you want to pursue this
> > > further contact your local branch of St John Ambulance or
> > > Red Cross.
> > >
> > > Pat Ramsey
> > > Disability Co-ordinator
> > > University of East Anglia
> > > Norwich      NR4  7TJ
> > > Tel:  01603 593693
> > >
> > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:23:50 +0100 "Petrie, John"
> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > hi folks
> > > >
> > > > we have a student who carries an adrenalin injection with her at all times
> > > > due to severe allergies.  in the case of an attack i was asking our first
> > > > aiders to administer the injection (a set amount of adrenalin in a "gun"
> > > > type injector)  but we seem to have a problem with the procedures and
> > > > policies of first aid.  when can a uni employee, and certified first aider,
> > > > give injections.  so far i have heard that they would be personally liable
> > > > if things went wrong and have therefore been told not to administer oral
> > > > medication, injection or anything.  (most first aiders have said that they
> > > > would do it in life/death situations but this is a personal decision)
> > > >
> > > > any info out there on this?  i appreciate that medication can be overdosed
> > > > and therefore uni's are scared of litigation but when an injection
> > > > administers a pre-set amount does this come under the same rules? (the
> > > > student has given permission for others to inject her in an emergency)
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > >
> > > > john
> > > >
> > > > John Petrie
> > > > Student Adviser
> > > > University of Abertay Dundee
> > > > Dundee
> > > > DD1 1HG
> > > > 01382 308932
> >
> > Bryan Jones
> > Equal Opportunities Adviser
> > London Guildhall University
> >
> > Tel: 020 7320 1137

Bryan Jones
Equal Opportunities Adviser
London Guildhall University

Tel: 020 7320 1137