medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
> Christopher Crockett wrote:
>> the main problem i have with the presumption of their wide-spread use
as vectors of *style*, however, lies in the fundamental flaw in the
premise which is assumed in such a construct:
>> that middlevil artists were even capable of replicating objects in
the "real" (i.e., phenomenal) world, including other works of art.
>> there is no evidence to support such an idea, and a great deal of
evidence invalidating it.
>> clearly, medieval figurative art is, first and foremost, *visionary*
rather than "replicative" in its operation.
> We know that pattern books existed in the late medieval/renaissance period
yes.
in my universe a totally different collective psychic state from that which
permeates the earlier period, as exemplified by the difference between the
"Romanesque" and "Gothic" stylistic catagories.
take 1200 as a kind of ball-park watershed date, though the origins of the
Gothic Stylistic Sequence certainly predates that date by several generations
(and the "watershed" was different in different geographical regions).
> However, there is no reason to suppose that any two pattern books were
identical - or even that they contained the same images. Or, of course,
that they only contained printed images. It is such a leap to suggest that
they were preceded by manuscript pattern books?
Scheller's book and catalogue of the surviving mss shows us that there were,
indeed, suchlike books.
and, i believe, that they were rather rare, especially in the earlier period.
>Compiled by the same sort of people?
humbly submit that the visionary (mostly) monastic artists of the 11th and
12th cc. were a quite different "sort" of people from the secular artists of
the later m.a. and Renaissance.
>Some kind of ancilliary artistic specialism? (Or lack of specialism?)
not sure i understand your point here.
>Doesn't this give a context for the Villard de Honnecourt album?
Villard's ms certainly didn't suck itself out of its own fingers.
c
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