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Katherine L. French has lots of good things to say about activities inside the church in her various books on English parish life. See
The Good Women of the Parish: Gender and Religion after the Black Death (2008)
The People of the Parish: Community Life in a Late Medieval English Diocese (2012)
More briefly, her chapters in Medieval Christianity: A People’s History of Christianity (ed. Daniel Bornstein) and The Oxford Handbook of Medieval Christianity (ed. John Arnold) (It’s newly published and very useful.)
John Myrc’s mid-15th century Instructions for Parish Priests (p. 9) offers this advice below for behaving in church. (This is my still rather rough modernization; I downloaded a pdf of the whole Instructions 3 years ago—it’s an Early English Text Society edition (v. 31, 1898, ed. Peacock)—but now I can’t find the link.)
Wall paintings of women jangling in church are common enough (and Gordon Plumb can direct you to a stained glass version). The Menagier of Paris offers his teenaged wife a treatise on hawking in his 14th-c household manual for her. In it he recommends training a new bird to get used to crowds by taking it to church (compare this illumination from the Getty: http://tinyurl.com/q8obtt2)
Yet you must teach them more:
That when they come to church
Bid them leave behind their empty words
Idle speech and fancy games
And put away all vanity.
And say their Pater Noster and their Ave.
No one in church should stand or
Lean against a pillar or a wall
But they shall kneel well on their knees
Kneeling down on the floor
And pray to God with a meek heart
To give them grace and also mercy
Allow them to make no noise
But always to be praying
And when the Gospel is read
Teach them all to stand up
And bless themselves as well as they can
When the Gloria tibi begins
And when the Gospel ends
Teach them again to kneel down soon.
And when they hear the bell ring
For the holy Consecration
Teach both young and old to kneel
And hold up both their hands
And then say
Clear and softly without noise:
“Jhesu, Lord, welcome thou be
In the form of bread as I can see;
Jhesu, by thy holy name
Shield me today from sin and shame;
Grant me both forgiveness and blessing
Before I leave here
And true contrition for my sin
So that I shall never die in it;
And as thou were born of a maiden
Suffer me never to be forlorn/lost,
But when I die
Grant me bliss without end. Amen.”
Teach them this or some other prayer
To say at the Consecration.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Jason Burg <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Dear all,
I am looking for information pertaining to the ways people behaved in the nave of churches (specially, cathedrals would be best). Primary or secondary sources will do.
Best,
Jason
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