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I'm sorry, Chris, but that's not the same hand. Which does not have to mean
that it is the duke's signature. It might well have been written by his
librarian. There were more Frenchies called Jehan...
Henk
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Christopher Crockett
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i think i've answered my own question.
here's the same "signature" in context:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84497204/f402.zoom
(hit the zoom button on the bar just above the ms.)
it is, clearly, by the same hand that wrote the whole ms.
it's not a "signature" in the modern sense of the term, but a "monogram" of
the same sort as is found at the bottom of, say, royal charters going back
(at
least) to the Carolingian monarchs.
here's one from Chuck the Simple:
http://www.heroicage.org/issues/12/images/foruma-monogram.jpg
http://www.heroicage.org/issues/12/foruma.php
and one of Louis VI (Le Gros) from 1132:
http://www.archivesenlignes.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/parchemin.png
and here's Fat Louie's true photograph:
http://www.nobility-association.com/Louis_VI_of_France.gif
roughly speaking, his "signature" on the charter is as "real" as that
photograph.
Daguerre would be proud.
here's what a real "signature" looks like:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GzQnzaF4k-o/Sx7TktWWUyI/AAAAAAAAJRA/fHKT-mdeJz4/s6
40/foundation+doc+of+st+victor.jpg
(foundation charter for St. Victor's of Paris, 1113)
and a photograph (taken from life) of "Hugh of St Victor teaching three
monks"
:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GzQnzaF4k-o/Sx7TzyAH-mI/AAAAAAAAJRI/xpYjDjbJ5YY/s6
40/hugh+of+st+victor+1.png
c
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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> Yes, i thought the same....as cc
>
> was his hand or may be the one of any scribe or librarian?
>
> thanks, Jean-Luc
>
> teresa
>
>
>
> El 16/11/2011, a las 14:59, Christopher Crockett escribió:
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> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> > culture
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> > From: Jean Luc Deuffic <[log in to unmask]>
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> >> Manuscrits médiévaux et marques de bibliophiles
> >> http://marquesmss.tumblr.com/
> >
> > thank you, Jean Luc.
> >
> > always interesting to see what you are up to.
> >
> >
> > are we to believe that this
> >
> > http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luozw7Gwyy1r1kyi9.jpg
> >
> > is really the "signature" of the Duc de Berry?
> >
> > if so, it seems like he had a quite accomplished hand.
> >
> > c
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