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I learned yet another version (from Folksongs of England):
Oats and beans and barley grow
As you and I and everyone know
Oats and beans and barley grow
As you and I and everyone know
A-waiting for the partner
Frans van Liere wrote:
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> Doesn't Raffi's song have the words slightly differently:
> "Oats an' beans and barley grow
> Oats an' beans and barley grow
> You and I already know,
> how oats an' etc."
>
> I had no idea this referred to the three-crop system, but it gives me a good
> idea to teach this material next time in my early medieval course. I second
> Kim's request. By the way, I remember there was a New York Times magazine in (I
> think) December 1999, asking a few dozen well-known authors what they saw as
> the most influential change in the past 2,000 years. Umberto Eco wrote a nice
> essay on the role of the bean in European history.
>
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> Frans van Liere
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> The media culture is not all bad: this song is on one of my small son's Raffi
> albums. We now both know the song very well, because he listens to the album
> incessantly. Although I have some familiarity with 3-field crop rotation,
> could you just remind me how the rhyme correlates with rotation. I would love
> to use the rhyme in class, and I want to be sure that I get it right.
>
> Kim
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> Kimberly Rivers Department of History
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howe, John" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:54 am
> Subject: Re: [M-R] pulses and legumes
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>
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>>"I once read in a newspaper that legumes and pulses weren't introduced
>>into European diets until the discovery of the Americas (though they
>>were used in southern and eastern mediterranean). Does anyone know
>>offhand of a scholarly reference for this?"
>>
>>
>>
>>Actually these are much earlier. The old debate about the "three
>>fieldsystem" is in part a debate about a spring rotation that includes
>>legumes. Lynn White Jr.'s Medieval Technology and Social Change made
>>the classic argument that the efflorescence of Europe at the start of
>>the High Middle Ages resulted from the introduction of the three field
>>system, making Europe "full of beans" and able to support a higher
>>population thanks to the increased vegetable protein in the diet.
>>Likemuch else in that stimulating book this argument is not
>>sustainablewithout many qualifications and caveats (the chronology
>>of the
>>introduction of the three field system, insofar as it can be
>>establishedat all, does not correlate neatly with the revival of
>>Western Europe,
>>and, in some areas, is clearly much earlier).
>>
>>
>>
>>I do not have a nursery rhyme guide with me to check the age of the
>>first attestation of the following, but one index of the European
>>use of
>>these crops is
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>>
>>--John Howe, Texas Tech
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