medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 16:46:49 +0100, you wrote:
>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>culture
>
>Bill East wrote:
>>
>> Cranmer went through several opinions during his life, reflecting
>> pretty accurately the opinions of those holding political power at
>> the time. It would appear that at the time he wrote the second
>> prayer book, of 1552, he had rejected any kind of presence at all
>> in the consecrated elements. He appears to have been in a minority
>> of one on this issue. The first prayer book of Elizabeth modified
>> the 1552 book, insisting for example that any of the consecrated
>> elements left over after Communion must be reverently consumed,
>> not tossed away - as was permitted by the previous book. And many
>> other small but significant changes were made, strengthening the
>> notion of a real presence of Christ.
>>
>
>You're being rather naughty here - the wording of the 1559 rubric is
>exactly the same as the 1552 one: "And yf anye of the breade or wyne
>remaine, the Curate shal haue it to hys owne use."
<snip>
>John Briggs
Naughty or not there is a case to answer here, and it becomes clearer
if we look at the words said by the priest at the distribution of the
elements.
In the 1549 prayer book, the words are:
The body of our Lorde Jesus Christe whiche was geuen for thee,
preserue they bodye and soule unto euerlastinge lyfe.
The bloud of our Lorde Jesus Christe whiche was shue for thee,
preserue they bodye and soule unto euerlastinge lyfe.
These at least allow for belief in the Real Presence, and in my
opinion, they seem to presuppose it.
In 1552 these words were changed to:
Take and eate this, in remembraunce that Christ dyed for thee, and
feede on him in thy hearte by faythe, with thankesgeuing.
Drinke this in remembraunce that Christ's bloude was shed for thee,
and be thankefull.
These clearly emphasise memorial, perhaps to the exclusion of belief
in the Real Presence.
The 1662 Prayer book combined the two, perhaps in an attempt to avoid
the problem rather than resolving it.
Gordon
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