Or they could be like antichrists other than those who seem
doctrinally heretical but who are just enemies of the church
because they steal from it (greedy castellans for e.g.) and are
viewed as precursers of Antichrist himself (as in Bernard of Angers
Liber miraculorum sancte fidis, P. Sheingorn edn pp. 64, 71, 74, 76
and 95, and see 1 John 2:18 and 2:22, 1 John 4:3, and 2 John 7
for the 'precursers' of Antichrist idea).
On 23 May 00, at 7:44, [log in to unmask] wrote:
Could it be a reference to heretics? Ademar of Chabannes refers to heretics
in Aquitaine as "messengers of Antichrist" (nuncii Antichristi).
Michael Frassetto
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Giguere [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:27 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: devil's limb
At 07:27 AM 5/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
Perhaps, but I just don't know - those seem to be covered by
"paganus"
elsewhere in the Penitential. I was wondering if there was
anything on the
continent like the sects (probably wrong word) described
some years ago by
Richard Sharpe in Eriu ("Hiberno-Latin laicus, Irish laech
and the devil's
men"). I have come across nothing of the sort in the records
for the
Rhineland at this period, but then I am really familiar only
with pastoral
lit.
Bernadette
>Just a guess but it sounds like someone who has not been
baptized.
>
>Jo Ann
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Giguere <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
<[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:51 PM
>Subject: devil's limb
>
>
>>Would any learned listmember have any idea who/what is
meant by diaboli
>>membrum in the following passage from Burchard of Worm's
Penitential (c.
>>1008-1012):
>>
>>Si autem sine odii meditatione, te tuaque liberando,
diaboli membrum
>>interfecisti, secundum indulgentiam dico, propter imaginem
Dei, si aliquid
>>jejunare volueris, bonum est tibi, et eleemosynas largiter
fas (Schmitz,
>>Die Bussbucher 2, 415).
>>
>>He is neither a thief nor a brigand, because a 40 days'
penance has already
>>been set for killing them.
>>
>>Bernadette Giguere
>>
>
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