Thanks, I'll check your references. Bernadette
At 03:49 PM 5/23/00 GMT0BST, you wrote:
>Or they could be like antichrists other than those who seem
>doctrinally heretical but who are just enemies of the church
>because they steal from it (greedy castellans for e.g.) and are
>viewed as precursers of Antichrist himself (as in Bernard of Angers
>Liber miraculorum sancte fidis, P. Sheingorn edn pp. 64, 71, 74, 76
>and 95, and see 1 John 2:18 and 2:22, 1 John 4:3, and 2 John 7
>for the 'precursers' of Antichrist idea).
>
>On 23 May 00, at 7:44, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>Could it be a reference to heretics? Ademar of Chabannes refers to heretics
>in Aquitaine as "messengers of Antichrist" (nuncii Antichristi).
>
>Michael Frassetto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Giguere [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:27 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: devil's limb
>
> At 07:27 AM 5/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
> Perhaps, but I just don't know - those seem to be covered by
>"paganus"
> elsewhere in the Penitential. I was wondering if there was
>anything on the
> continent like the sects (probably wrong word) described
>some years ago by
> Richard Sharpe in Eriu ("Hiberno-Latin laicus, Irish laech
>and the devil's
> men"). I have come across nothing of the sort in the records
>for the
> Rhineland at this period, but then I am really familiar only
>with pastoral
> lit.
> Bernadette
>
> >Just a guess but it sounds like someone who has not been
>baptized.
> >
> >Jo Ann
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Charles Giguere <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
><[log in to unmask]>
> >Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:51 PM
> >Subject: devil's limb
> >
> >
> >>Would any learned listmember have any idea who/what is
>meant by diaboli
> >>membrum in the following passage from Burchard of Worm's
>Penitential (c.
> >>1008-1012):
> >>
> >>Si autem sine odii meditatione, te tuaque liberando,
>diaboli membrum
> >>interfecisti, secundum indulgentiam dico, propter imaginem
>Dei, si aliquid
> >>jejunare volueris, bonum est tibi, et eleemosynas largiter
>fas (Schmitz,
> >>Die Bussbucher 2, 415).
> >>
> >>He is neither a thief nor a brigand, because a 40 days'
>penance has already
> >>been set for killing them.
> >>
> >>Bernadette Giguere
> >>
> >
> >
>
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