Hi Chuck, Heidi, Yoad, Ali and all,
When looking at the origins of this kind of thinking about perception, it is often useful to review those working in Islamic Science of the Middle Ages as there was extensive work in this area extending primarily Greek thought . Ibn al-Haytham (Moon illusion and other psychophysics) along with Al Kindi, Al Farabi, Al Razi and Ibn Rushd come to mind as earlier fathers of situated cognition.
When I earlier wrote that Gibson hadn't addressed the biology, I suggest lack in Gibson's explanation of justification from biology is more significant than it appears from a purely Gibsonian perspective.
At a simple level of epistemological analysis, Gibson's ecological theories are just one model of the phenomenal relation between mind, action and environment that match the data. There can (in theory) be an infinite number of very different theories that equivalently fulfil the same role.
The justification of validity of Gibson's theories across that phenomenological space is whether they also conform to, and can be built from/on, the understanding of the biological processes that implement perception and its integration into human functioning.
This is in the same way that understanding of the biology of the eye clarified whether it was more useful to view visual perception in terms of light bounced off objects, or as an imaginary perceptive beam emitted by the eye.
That grounding of perception and situated cognition in the biological is what makes theories of Damasio useful as a test of the validity of Gibson's theories. Broadly, the theories of Damasio as expressed in 'Descartes Error' and 'Feeling of What Happens' (at least at first glance) align with and do not contradict the main structures of Gibson's ecological perception theories.
More importantly, Damasio's analyses explain the biological basis of HOW Gibson's ecological perception operates, HOW affordances work, and more importantly, WHEN and WHY affordances DO NOT WORK - valuable in designing interfaces, objects and systems.
Best wishes,
Terry
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Yoad,
I believe Gibson functioned as a "father of situated cognition" in which people began to realize that sentient beings were linked cognitively and behaviorally to both their internal and external environments and began to seek deeper understanding of these interactions. His was an era where ecology, environmental psychology, cybernetics and situated cognition arose and in which the phenomenal, emotional and rational experience of person environment relationships began to be studied and applied. It was the time when Rachel Carson and many others began to look closely at the human relationships to natural environments, while anthropology, artificial intelligence, robotics, space exploration, computational systems, and simulations opened technological and experiential worlds that we are still exploring. Gibson introduced a greater awareness that rationality has its limits and speed of comprehension is slower and more full of opportunity than speed of perception and awareness. He certainly has my appreciation if not necessarily my comprehension .
Best regards,
Chuck
> On May 27, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Yoád David Luxembourg <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dear Ali,
>
> The perceptive works to identify sensed data according to structures, and then based on personal experience connect the structure to meanings and affordances.
>
> that, as far as i remember, means that Gibson's theory is very limited to understand how the perception of physical ecology works.
>
> All the rest socio economical stuff depends on concepts that humans realize by using language.
>
> the only aspect which may link SE background and Gibson's theory might be visual audio or other sensual impairment of the perceptive system as in blind and deaf or otherwise paralyzed people.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> *Yoad David Luxembourg *
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> Website <http://yodalux.wordpress.com> On 22-5-2018 19:07, Ali Ilhan
> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been reading the recent discussions about Gibson, affordances
>> and perception with a lot of interest. I have only superficial
>> knowledge about these things, so the following question may be quite
>> primitive, I do apologize in advance. Is there anything in the
>> Gibsonian paradigm regarding effects of socio-cultural background on
>> perception? (such as race, gender, one's cultural milieu etc.).
>>
>> Warm wishes,
>>
>> ali
>>
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