Lilly (and everyone),
(I know I am risking coming off as an un-empathetic jerk at best but I hope people can trust that I am trying to understand; please read the following questions as actual questions, not as rhetorical questions.)
Could you flesh your statements out a bit for those of us who are unsure of what is being suggested?
> - how safe spaces cannot simply be declared but have to be created, like
> trust, over time
The traditional use of the word "safe" is to mean protected from danger or harm. Can you help us understand what particular dangers or harms have happened here and/or are feared here?
(Or is there some other notion of safety we should be aware of?
> - how "robust" discussion dominates other values like listening and
> attempting to empathize
How do you think people should, as a rule, deal with assertions they believe are misguided or false (or that they simply don’t fully understand)? What is the alternative to what I might call traditional academic procedure—someone positing ideas then others critiquing them then others defending them?
> Questions of speaking -- who speaks, who listens -- are, despite comments
> otherwise, precisely related to privilege.
In the case of this listserv, how do you respond to someone who believes that "who speaks" is determined by who choses to speak? If the question is who believe that they have standing to speak, how do we assure others that the notion of standing is wrong?*
In a forum such as this, how does one know that someone has really listened unless there are responses that (perhaps sharply) question what was said?
> Perhaps this list needs a culture of robust care for new positions and
> ideas, as much as critical discussion
How does one care for positions and ideas other than by questioning them so they can be fully understood? (That may be a restating of my previous question.)
Thanks.
Gunnar
*I am not arguing against claims of privilege in general but I strongly believe that those who think that there is a hefty cover charge at our door are mistaken. (I am, of course, open to being demonstrated to be wrong. I love to be wrong; that’s when I learn stuff.)
Gunnar Swanson
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