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> On 20 Feb 2016, at 9:52 am, John Sear <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> 
> 
> Really enjoying the practical discussion of touch screens.  As someone who
> has built a number of touch screen applications (including a Shakespeare
> one for the BBC that launches in a few weeks) I thought I could add my 2p
> worth.
> 
> 
> 
> At the low end of the budget you have a choice of consumer monitors.  These
> were originally developed with Windows 8 touch in mind.  They range up to
> 27". In this range I would recommend projected-capacitance technology over
> Infra-Red. Generally these are 10 point touch (as was the Microsoft
> standard) - although are less available now as Windows 10 doesn't have
> quite the touch focus of Windows 8.
> 
> 
> 
> You can build simple Touch Kiosks at this end very cheaply.  Last week I
> ran a workshop for smaller museums in the UK - that demonstrated how to
> build one using PowerPoint, Acer 27" Touch Screen and a Stick PC.  All in
> for under £300.
> 
> 
> 
> Above 27" you're in more specialist territory (and probably bespoke
> software too). P-cap are less widely available at this scale.  There are a
> few providers e.g. 3M that do manufacture screens.  If you want to go much
> larger than this then you're limited to IR tech.  This is where you have a
> visible bezel that sits above the screen.  If you don't mind the fact that
> the screen has this raised edge - generally you're looking at acheaper
> option.  The two main manufacturers of IR bezels are PQ Labs and
> ShadowSense (often repackaged as other brands).  The largest I've worked
> with was a 3x2m screen with IR bezel (no obvious lag with a single large
> bezel).
> 
> 
> 
> It's worth watching out with IR for the number of simultaneous touches.  You
> can go as low as 2 touch up to 40+ touch points for multi-user.  Also, to
> note that we're in a transition period from FullHD screens (1080p) to Ultra
> HD aka 4K with 4 times the pixels.
> 
> 
> 
> MultiTaction (mentioned by Corey) is a unique technology as it is
> essentially cameras looking up from the screen below - allows much more
> visibility. e.g. connecting of individual fingers with the entire hand or
> seeing a business card laid on the table.  This technology is actually how
> the first commercial touch screens were made (e.g. Microsoft Surface) - but
> have generally been passed by cheaper IR technology.
> 
> 
> 
> It's also worth waiting to see what happens with Microsoft's new 'Surface
> Hub' available in 55" and 84". Again these use a unique technology from
> Perceptive Pixel - that also supports writing on with their specialist pens.
> The experience has been designed for the conference rooms of the world -
> but is overall a very slick product.  Looking forward to seeing someone use
> this in a museum setting!
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> John Sear
> Museum Games Ltd <http://museumgames.me>
> 
>> On 19 February 2016 at 21:37, Corey Timpson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> We use several models and sizes of Elo. Our experience with them is that
>> they are very robust, and work well in built exhibits and furniture. That
>> said, I am not impressed by their responsiveness (I find them frustrating
>> as the resolution on touch is not what a user expects).
>> 
>> Depending on size of your installation, MultiTaction are excellent. One of
>> our installations has 12 of them lined up to create a large table (24
>> users). But their responsiveness and resolution is brilliant.
>> 
>> Christie MicroTiles are interesting also. Expensive but you can use them in
>> unique shapes and forms. Their responsiveness and resolution is decent.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> Corey Timpson
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>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Charles Dodgson <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> 3m micro touch products, open frame ,
>>> for us have been very durable in the long term ( especial serial
>>> connectivity)
>>> 
>>> Elo are ok, had strange behaviour with the usb drivers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Charles Dodgson
>>> Creative A/V Development Manager
>>> London's Transport Museum
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>>> _____________________________
>>> From: Jewel Clark <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 18:18
>>> Subject: Re: [MCG] In gallery touchscreen hardware
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We use ELO touch screens in enclosures because they are designed to
>>> withstand the abuse of the public. We looked into consumer level
>>> all-in-ones and decided the upfront cost savings couldn¹t be assured
>>> considering how incredibly abusive the public tend to be with tech.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jewel Clark | Digital Technologies & Websites Manager
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> On 2/19/16, 1:34 AM, "Museums Computer Group on behalf of Dave Slater"
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> on behalf of
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>> 
>>>> As always, the answer is 'it depends'.
>>>> 
>>>> ELO are the best all-round screens for shops and museums, they are
>>>> designed for unattended public use, so rugged, and generally the cables
>>>> can be secured behind screw-down panels and the buttons locked out
>>>> (unless the kids have read the manual on how to unlock them).
>>>> Importantly, because they are designed for people like us to build in to
>>>> things the design doesn't change every few months, so if one does need
>>>> replacing in a year or two, the chances are you can still buy one that
>>>> fits in the same aperture. I can't fault their service either.
>>>> They do a very smart desktop/VESA monitor, but that does still have a
>>>> couple of vulnerabilities to the determined British yob.
>>>> If protection is important you can buy an ELO 'open frame' monitor that
>>>> is designed to be built into a panel or enclosure. Then everything
>> except
>>>> the touch screen itself is out of reach.
>>>> A smart new enclosure is due to be released very soon that will allow
>> you
>>>> to take one of those 'open frame' screens, lock it inside and then mount
>>>> the whole assembly using a standard VESA mount or hole pattern. Then
>>>> everything is secure.
>>>> One thing to note is that open frame screens don't have built-in
>>>> speakers. Although the ones built in to the desktop screens are a bit
>> too
>>>> feeble to use in busy places anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> If budget is an issue Iiyama are an up and coming alternative to ELO,
>> but
>>>> they are really more consumer-focused. They would be my second choice.
>>>> (There is quite a reasonable rationale that says pay half as much and
>>>> just expect to replace it more often).
>>>> 
>>>> All-in-one machines are great if you want the portability and
>> convenience
>>>> of a single box, say for outreach. However, you have the disadvantage
>>>> that if the screen fails or the PC runs out of steam you are likely to
>>>> end up replacing the entire unit rather than just upgrading or replacing
>>>> one component. So the investment protection isn't as good as separate
>>>> components. You tend to get less bang for your buck too.
>>>> 
>>>> The new Dell all-in-ones are good value and quite rugged, we can
>>>> recommend them where they are going to be attended by or used by
>>>> responsible people. Things like buttons, cables and the DVD drive are
>> all
>>>> vulnerable unless you take steps to protect them, so these machines
>>>> aren't so suitable for unattended locations.
>>>> ELO also do all-in-ones that are intended for public use. They are more
>>>> expensive than the Dells but are more rugged and better protected. They
>>>> do still have some accessible buttons and covers though. We ended up
>>>> designing a slim metal cover to protect those.
>>>> 
>>>> A final consideration might be theft, the least desirable (and most
>>>> difficult) touch screens to steal are the open frame ones.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this helps, please don't hesitate to ask if I you want to know
>>>> more.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Dave.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: 18 February 2016 15:34
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: [MCG] In gallery touchscreen hardware
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone recommend a company / brand of touchscreen displays for usage
>>>> in gallery (hardware not what¹s on it).
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> <
>>>> 
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