terry,
i have difficulty understanding what you are asking.
i think i gave you my answers before you ask these questions (some to me quite incomprehensible).
for example, i have read the following question of yours many times:
" What is the design from which the photograph as a product is made?"
does a design have to be made from something?
do you make a distinction between the photograph as such and the photograph as a product?
surely photographers produce something that wasn't there to begin with.
is it really important to you to ask from what a photograph is made: paper, an electronic file, or projected on a screen?
the point i was making is that photography starts with a process of experiencing something and making selections in view of what others do not experience but might be interested in seeing as well and communicating that selection in one of many forms to those who would thereafter be able to see something they had not experienced themselves (not necessarily as experienced by the photographer).
we have one process linked to another process by a medium (a design).
klaus
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From: Terence Love [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:33 PM
To: Klaus Krippendorff; 'PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design'
Subject: Re: Design theory - do photographers design?
Hi, Klaus,
What is the design from which the photograph as a product is made?
Where in the professional designerly photographic process does the creation of the design occur that is then used to create the photographic image?
What format does this design take?
I can see that such a design might include a pre-decided and recorded/written down a list of lighting instructions, location and timeline of shoot, decisions about camera settings, decisions about image composition, decisions about the steps of digital post-processing, etc
I suggest that where this happens the activity is a Design activity and a design process.
In contrast, where these are done ad-hoc and live then I'd suggest it is better considered as an Art activity and an art process?
Best wishes,
Terry
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Subject: [SPAM] Re: Design theory - do photographers design?
I think the issue of design being a verb or a noun is also applicable to photographs.
Yes, at one point a photograph is a noun. But could it be an object without a human being able to create it, to handle it, and to articulate the perception of it belonging to a category of objects that come to live only in the process of interpreting it?
To me a photograph resides in the interaction between a viewer and the viewed. It entail a process. Good photographers are not robots who can press the button of a camera, they are likely to have a sense of what viewers may find interested when engaging with their creations. When photographing succeeds, it results in conveying something that photographers saw and found appealing -- relating two processes expressable in two verbs.
Klaus
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> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Paul Mike Zender <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Ken:
>
> I responded to Terry's incorrect assertion that design doesn't result
> in
made objects, but if we accept his (incorrect) definition then photographers are not designers because their work definitely, always, makes an object:
the photograph. It's what photographers do, they make photographs.
>
> Hence, I believe Terry answered his own question: photographers in
> Terry's
world are not designers.
>
> Based on out past conversations I realize you see design more as a
> verb
than a noun, and as you know and I just have articulated I see it as both verb and noun. Designers have always (in recorded history) been craftspersons plus strategizes. Design does not work on the think system (Professor Harold Hill, the Music Man).
>
> Best...
>
> Mike Zender
>
> University of Cincinnati
> Visible Language
>
>
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