Dear Terry,
Thanks. I have downloaded these and I will read them.
Please forgive a mild comment on one key fact. The standard in science is that the person who makes claims is obliged to offer evidence supporting those claims.
What you seem to mean by “working for people who get paid for this” is that we are paid to find the evidence for your claims. This is not so. I am paid to do my own research, not yours.
For that matter, I’m not even paid to review the evidence for your claims when you provide it. When you make a claim interesting enough to warrant reviewing the evidence, I can choose to review it. Your job as a researcher is to provide the evidence that allows me to make the choice.
Every researcher makes choices. If an idea or a claim is interesting, we go further. Now that you’ve given me the evidence for claims on an issue that is of interest to me, I’ll go further.
This works the same way for me. I am paid to do my own research. This means that I am paid to substantiate my claims. If something I write interesting enough to warrant further consideration, folks may choose to follow up on my claims by examining the evidence.
Thank you for providing the link to the study by Moultrie et al. (2008) Developing a National Design Scoreboard. I will read it with interest. If I have something useful to say, I might consider breaking the two-replies rule.
Yours,
Ken
Ken Friedman, PhD, DSc (hc), FDRS | Editor-in-Chief | 设计 She Ji. The Journal of Design, Economics, and Innovation | Published by Elsevier in Cooperation with Tongji University | URL: http://www.journals.elsevier.com/she-ji-the-journal-of-design-economics-and-innovation/
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> On 2015Sep02, at 17:10, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Hi Ken,
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> Thanks for your message.
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> I no longer have access to university subscriptions of journal articles but the work I referred to was done by Dr James Moultrie a Senior Lecturer in Design Management at Cambridge who presented it at the DRS Conference in Sheffield in 2008. The paper is at http://shura.shu.ac.uk/546/1/fulltext.pdf and it was the background data to that paper that enables similar conclusions according to Paul in personal discussion. Paul's contact details and list of journal articles are at http://www.ifm.eng.cam.ac.uk/people/jm329/
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> Relevant parts of the previous discussions on Jiscmail are found at (it wasn't that hard... in spite of the tails!):
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> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1312&L=PHD-DESIGN&P=R37926&1=PHD-DESIGN&9=A&I=-3&J=on&K=1&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4
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> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1309&L=PHD-DESIGN&P=R80835&1=PHD-DESIGN&9=A&I=-3&J=on&K=1&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4
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> Wondering why I'm working for people who get paid for this and could do it themselves ....
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> PS I'd be rich if I got paid a day for this kind of research.
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> Now I'm way past my two replies.
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> Best regards,
> Terry
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