No, I would not say that a theorist in whatever domain is a Gestalter. Gestaltung is always practical/ implicit/ tacit knowledge. But a Gestalter could well be active in the field of reflection or theory about his/ her knowledge.
Judith
Am 30.01.2014 (KW 5) um 17:41 schrieb jack Ox <[log in to unmask]>:
> Liebe Judith,
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> Vielen Dank für ihre Informationen über Gestalter und Gestalterin! Would you say that someone who is a theorist in the domain of design is a Gestalter?
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> On Jan 29, 2014, at 2:23 PM, judithd wrote:
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>> Some corrections from a German-speaking Gestalter:
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>> Gestalterin is the female version of Gestalter.
>> The plural is also Gestalter (male) or Gestalterinnen (female).
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>> To call yourself a Gestalter as Designer is somewhat distinguished. It means that you do not only care about surface and form but you actually shape your enviroment with your expertise. Gestaltung implies much more than design: it is thinking, reflection, craftsmanship, experience. In Switzerland it is common to talk about Gestaltung and not about Design. Visuelle Gestaltung (Graphic Design), Produktgestaltung (Industrial Design). There is no direct connection to Gestalt Theory. The traditional design schools are named Hochschule für Gestaltung (like the HfG Ulm) or Hochshule für Gestaltung und Kunst (HGK Basel).
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>> Am 29.01.2014 (KW 5) um 21:36 schrieb Gunnar Swanson <[log in to unmask]>:
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>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Don Norman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> next to Dieter Rams and across from Thomas Herzog
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>>> Damn. What would I have to do to get the three of you over to my house some night?
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>>>> A new name: *Gestaltung* And a new label for
>>>> those of us who practice Gestaltung: We are *Gestalters*. (In German, the
>>>> plural of Gestalter is Gestalterin, but we, after all, are starting fresh.)
>>>> The fact that people do not know the meaning of either Gestaltung or
>>>> Gestalter is a virtue: we can decide to make it mean whatever we wish. It
>>>> is a chance to start over.
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>>> It might have less baggage than "design" and "designer" but it would hardly be the proverbial blank slate.
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>>> My knowledge of German is in the less-than-minimal range but, of course, "gestalt" is familiar. My understanding is that it means something like "form" or "shape" but focussed on the whole and on the idea of seeing a whole before the parts. I don't know if a German speaker would assume that physical form or shape would be assumed.
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>>> People who went to art school might assume a strong connection to gestalt theory and think that a slightly-varying list of principles (Kepes' version was unity, proximity, repetition, continuance, and closure) would dominate--especially the response to visual implication. (I'm sure there's a proper term that I don't know but by "visual implication," I mean stuff like implying a line by establishing a very few points, a triangle by showing three points, etc.)
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>>> Psych people might assume some other stuff based on ideas from Frankfurt, Esalen, etc. Maybe I could meet you, Herzog, and Rams in a hot tub in Big Sur to discuss that.
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>>> Gunnar the graphic gestalter
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