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From: BRIGGS JOHN <[log in to unmask]>
> The role continued - in 1604 (the See of Canterbury being vacant)
Richard Bancroft, as Dean of the Province of Canterbury, presided over
the Convocation which approved the Anglican Canons of 1604. (He
himself became Archbishop of Canterbury a few months later.)
clearly, *some*body had to take over certain tasks when a see (episcopal or
archiepiscopal) was vacant.
in the Chartres documents, there are quite a few charters which were issued by
the Dean of the chapter (the cathedra being vacant --i forget the exact
phrase, and even if i could remember it, i would probably remember it wrong,
which would lead to some knashing of teeth on the part of Brother Briggs).
i'm not familiar at all with the charters from Sens (in whose province
Chartres was), so i can't say what the ones which were issued during a lacuna
there.
presumably, those dealing with matters only pertaining to the *see* of Sens
would have been issued by the Dean of the cathedral --after all, what power
did any suffragan bishop of the Province have to issue purely "domestic"
charters of the diocese of Sens?
as for charters dealing with Provincial matters, one might well ask: what
power did the Dean of the chapter of Sens have to issue one of those?
those latter --in the case of a matter which had to be dealt with in some
urgency-- would have called for some Higher Authority, like, maybe, a "Dean"
of the Province, who held episcopal rank.
these theoretical considerations aside, i'm sure that the issue could be
easily answered by someone more familiar than i with documents of a Provincial
character which were issued during an archiepiscopal lacuna.
since Chartres was not the chef-lieu (what shall we call it?) of a Province,
i've just never had occasion to come across any such charters.
must have happened, if not all the time, at least with some frequency, esp.
when there was some considerable delay in filling an empty archiepiscopal
miter.
presumably, the suffragan bishop who was the "Dean of the Province" would also
have presided over whatever conclave was called to "elect" the new archbishop.
(say, come to think on it, how *were* archbishops chosen? from the "clergy &
people" of the diocese, like bishops, or from a broader group of "electors"
representing the Province at large? or was the King's role the really
dispositive one?)
but, i say again, i've never seen a document --or a secondary source-- which
refers to a suffragan bishop of a Province being styled "Dean" of that
Province.
which certainly doesn't mean that there were not guys in 11th-12th c. France
who held such a title.
c
> On 12/02/2013, Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> > From: ANDREW MILLIGAN <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >> I think Jon had a slip of his typing finger - which I did not notice
till
> >> cc
> > pointed it up. I think he meant to say Henry IV executed Archbishop
Scrope
> >
> >
> > ahhh, excommunicated, executed... not much difference to the True
Believer,
> > i
> > suppose.
> >
> >> Re bishop of London as dean of the province, I think it's explained in
> >> Irene
> > Churchill...or ...in EF Jacob's edition....Gerald Bray may have something
> > to
> > say.... I'm afraid I don't know how old the custom was - I just know it
was
> > well established by my period (early 15th century -
> >
> >
> > all very fine Scholarship, i'm sure, and i'll be sure to look them up
when
> > i
> > have a moment in the next incarnation, but what's the Bottom Line?
> >
> > what were the duties of this "dean" --o.k., in c. 15?
> >
> > c
> >
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