Greetings Ethan,
Sorry, my bad. I see now you really didn't say what I thought when
replying. That's what I get for reading mailing lists at 3am when I
should be asleep...
Regards,
Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania
On 29/09/2012 5:49 AM, Ethan Doyle White wrote:
> Hello there!
>
>
> Jon Sharp's take on my message was exactly as I intended; there are many
> areas of religion that do clearly intersect with magic, but equally
> there are many more than do not, and I do not see what relevence a
> discussion of these unrelated topics has on an "Academic Study of Magic"
> message board. So far we have begun to talk about both the dangers of
> Salafist Islam and the comparison that can be made between the
> development of Protestantism and contemporary Islam, despite the fact
> that neither of these topics are directly related (or indeed, one could
> argue, indirectly related), to the academic study of magic.
>
>
> Are we next to talk about issues regarding ethics in Zoroastrianism, or
> succumb to a criticism of the practices of the Church of Scientology ?
> How about a discussion of the comparative merits of various Popes, or a
> debate as to how Shinto is portrayed in the works of Hayao Miyazaki ? I
> fear that unless we draw the line somewhere, ultimately this list will
> simply descend into a general "Discussion on Religion" group, and this
> is not what I, or I suspect many others, signed up for. Although such
> irrelevent threads are hardly a major menace to my life, it is ever so
> slightly annoying to find them clogging up my email account on what
> seems like a daily basis recently. There must be multiple forums for the
> general academic study of religion out there, but this is not one of them.
>
>
> In response to Morgan Leigh's message, in no way did I mean to suggest
> that there was no connection between magical beliefs and/or praxes and
> Islam. Indeed, through close personal connections with members of the
> British Pakistani community I've come across tales of Islamic folk magic
> which I found to be thoroughly fascinating.
>
>
> All the best to all!
>
>
> Ethan Doyle White
>
> Greater London
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:15:09 +0000
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Religious Teachings
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> My take on Ethan's comment was that he was arguing that religions are
> intrinsically linked to magical beliefs and or their praxes, but that
> not every discussion about religion would necessarily be relevant to
> those aspects of religion/ religious belief that are related in some way
> to magical beliefs and or praxes
>> Bw
>> Jon
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>> Sent: 28 September 2012 16:03
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Religious Teachings
>>
>> Greetings Ethan,
>> Please supply an example of any religion that is "not directly linked to
>> magical beliefs and/or praxes in any way". If you are suggesting that
>> Islam fits this category then I expect N.W. Azal to post in 3..2..1..
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Morgan Leigh
>> PhD Candidate
>> School of Sociology and Social Work
>> University of Tasmania
>>
>> On 23/09/2012 1:54 AM, Ethan Doyle White wrote:
>> > Dear all
>> >
>> > As much as I do happen to find this thread rather interesting, I do have
>> > to support the claim that is is "off-topic" and therefore not
>> > appropriate material for this "Academic Study of Magic" list. It is a
>> > discussion of the development of a world religion, and not directly
>> > linked to magical beliefs and/or praxes in any way. Yes, religion and
>> > magic are intrinsically linked, as I'm sure we would all recognise, but
>> > surely this does not open up this list to a discussion of any topic
>> > related to religion in any way.
>> >
>> > My best to all
>> >
>> > Ethan Doyle White
>> > London
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:10:38 +0100
>> > From: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Religious Teachings
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Friends
>> >
>> > Magick is part of religion (and studies) or in some cases is a religion
>> > in its own right.
>> > Magick has often been involved in political phenomena - eg renaissance
>> > philosophy/humanism; 3rd Reich etc.
>> > Magick often has ethical implications - ethics and politics are clearly
>> > related.
>> > I also find some of the discussions about theory interesting - ie
>> > accusations of "Orientalism", reductionism etc etc.
>> > The rise of radical islam/fundamentalism seems like something we ought
>> > to be informed about for sure, especially as a great deal of
>> > magical tradition of the west comes via Islam.
>> > I suppose I'd say that magick as in paganism may have an answer or
>> > response to fundamentalism ie Pagan values are pluralistic.
>> >
>> > Perhaps the problem is the size of the topic -
>> > and the fact somehave already objected -
>> > but there again i not sure why if things are in clear threads on an
>> > elist those who are bored with it can't just skip over it?
>> >
>> > bb/93
>> >
>> > Mogg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Personally I don't think that this is off topic and it is
>> > interesting to read James' response. I tend to agree with him too.
>> >
>> > My own understanding of magick is heavily influenced by religion. It
>> > would seem to me to be hard to separate the two.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
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