Yes. I like this list's openness and flexibility - it's much the liveliest of
the academic lists I follow. But (happily) I see no support for this
ill-informed and ill-judged intervention, which can hardly be said to be
about Islam, even; it's a prejudiced rant which nobody else wants to join in
on. Do take it off.
Kate
Katharine Hodgkin, BA, MA, D.Phil.
Reader in Cultural History
School of Arts and Digital Industries
University of East London, London E16 2RD
tel. 020 8223 2934 (direct line) 020 8223 3000 (switchboard)
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Agreed Amy. This is far off topic and says little, in its current direction,
about the academic study of magic. Please take this discussion off list.
Dave
Dr Dave Green
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From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
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Sent: 30 September 2012 19:32
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Although I am no longer a moderator on this list, Dave Green is, I believe,
sole moderator, I do agree with the sentiments expressed by most of the
posters that this sort of conversation, while worthy, moves us too far from
the remit of this particular list.
Perhaps it would be useful to reassert the mission of the list, and
reestablish some posting guidelines.
Regards,
Amy Hale
On Sep 30, 2012 11:13 AM, "Jon Sharp (LTS)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
While I have a deep and abiding dislike of all monotheisms for a
range of reasons both dogma specific and general, I have to agree, having
thought about the effects of a very loose approach, with other posters that
this is a list intended solely for the discussion of magic.
Granted, there are many links between magic and religion, but the
email below does not seek to make any connections to magic or esotericism.
There are a number of interesting questions that might be asked,
either in terms of the magical aspects of Islamic ritual or perhaps by
exploring contemporary Islamic movements (and indeed extremist Christian
movements in Africa) in specific relation to the resurrection of direct
violence against pracitioners of magic.
It's not an area I'm especially interested in or knowledgeable about,
so I wouldn't attempt to pose the questions. As cathartic (and potentially
valuable) as a good rant about the current cultural myopia regarding violence
carried out in the name of Islam can be, I would agree with other posters
that this is not the place to post it.
Bw
Jon
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Humans Against Violent Islam
<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Humans-Against-Violent-Islam/444467088930520>
Violent Muslims have declared war on the human race.
They kill at will people whom they see as offending their religion.
They are working hard in various countries in using violence to force people
to live by their religion. They are also fighting other Muslims to force them
to live according to the harsh forms of Islam supported by these violent
Muslims.
Nobody is safe from these barbarians.
The human race must fight back.
One of them struck in the Netherlands, killing Theo van Gogh for
directing a film criticizing Islam's record on women. A Channel 4 television
documentary in England investigating the history of Islam had to be canceled
because the makers of the film received death threats. We still remember the
death sentence placed on the head of Salman Rushdie for his Satanic Verses
novel which some Muslims saw as being against Islam. The latest outrage
against the sanctity of human life comes from the murder of the US ambassador
to Libya and members of his staff, the total destruction of the embassy
building and the killing of other people in the Arab world in protest
against a film mocking Muhammad, the founder of Islam. A Muslim cleric has
placed a death sentence on the heads of the makers of the film which he urges
Muslims everywhere to execute.
This nonsense, this barbarism, this wanton bloodletting in the name
of imposing the vision of one religion on the world must come to an end. It
will not come to an end through dialogue since these violent Muslims are
drunk on their ability to kill at will. Once these orgies of killing begin
anywhere, like-minded Muslims elsewhere take them up, leading to multiple
deaths, often of innocent people. Even some Muslims who did not take part in
this lust for blood jubilate at the demonstration of power to take life in
their name of their religion shown by their compatriots.
This culture has been ongoing for decades, in Muslim dominated
countries and in countries with fewer Muslims. In the Arab world, in Africa
and the West. These religion maddened creatures are closed to reason. They
must be stopped using the language they understand, the language of force.
Humans everywhere need to take action against this deadly mind set.
We need to liberate ourselves from the danger and fear of violent Islam which
grips people everywhere.
In striking back and protecting our future, we cannot descend to the
level of the bloodthirsty barbarians by adopting their culture of murder and
destruction of what belongs to others.
What shall we do?
We shall attack what they claim to defend on account of which they
reserve the right to murder people at will, anywhere, anytime.
We shall attack what represents their religion.
We shall criticize Muhammad, the founder of their religion. We shall
draw attention to his antics with women and his collection of wives. We
shall point to his marriage to a girl who was not even a teenager, an
interest in marrying children still practiced by Muslims in some countries.
We shall address his spreading of his religion by the sword, destroying
entire civilizations in the process. We shall focus on how his followers have
carried on his tradition of violent propagation of religion, even to this
day. We shall describe his demeaning attitudes towards women, which are
evident in the Koran, the scripture he composed, and the Hadiths, accounts of
his sayings and actions.
We shall examine the subjugations women suffer in the name of Islam
in some Muslim countries.
We shall question whether the verses expressed by Muhammad are really
dictated by the creator of the universe, as he claimed, or were created by
Muhammad himself. Why do they contain so many injunctions to violence and
appeals to crude and cruel attitudes? Is that a demonstration of the
character of the creator of the universe?
We shall probe into everything anti-human about Islam.
We shall use all tools at our disposal. Cartoons. Films. Essays.
Demonstrations. Books.
We shall mock. We shall engage in serious criticism.
We shall do what we like with this religion, to prove to its
adherents that the human race is not cowed by its bloodthirsty members.
Our interest is not in attacking individual Muslims. We are not even
interested in denigrating Islam. All religions have their positive and
negative qualities. Islam has contributed to the world as other religions and
ideologies have.
Our attack is directed against the belief of those Muslims who
choose to sacrifice the lives of human beings to their religion. We are
determined to show them that we, the members of the human race, are even more
determined than ever to attack what those Muslims take human lives in order
to defend or spread.
Our goal is to destroy once and for all the belief that anyone can
take human life just because they think their ideology is offended or because
they want to force others to practice their brand of religion.
We are out to demolish the culture of destruction of life represented
by violent Islam.
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Compcros <http://danteadinkra.wix.com/compcros>
Comparative Cognitive Process and Systems
"Exploring Every Corner of the Cosmos in Search of Knowledge"
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Comparative Cognitive Process and Systems
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