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Thanks Tom for the publicity on my article. Some rural
parishes would have been paved, although I couldn't say
what percentage. Also benches facing the chancel with an
aisle in the middle were found in rural parishes, although
again not necessarily uniformly. I would say that you are
within the realm of possible and likely, although my
knowledge is of England, not Wales.
Katherine French
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:08:41 +0000
Madeleine Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Many thanks, Thomas - that's very helpful.
>
> But would I be correct in thinking that these relate to
>Winchester and Westminster - we are looking at practice
>in a fairly remote Welsh parish.
>
> The big problem of course, is that we have so little
>evidence for anything at all in medieval Welsh churches -
>no parish records, very little in the way of probate
>records, and so on.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Maddy
>
>
>
>
> Dr Madeleine Gray
> Reader in History
> School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
> University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
> Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,
> Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
>
> 'A concept is a brick. It can be used to build a
>courthouse of reason. Or it can be thrown through the
>window.' (Gilles Deleuze)
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> Subject: Re: [M-R] seating and paving in C16 churches
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
>religion and culture
> I recall there being information on seating in this
>article (as retrieved from the Feminae database):
>
> * Record Number: 11757
> * Author(s): French , Katherine L.
> * Contributor(s):
> * Title: The Seat under Our Lady: Gender and Seating
>in Late Medieval English Parish Churches [The author
>argues that women's seating arrangements in churches give
>access to information about women in parish life that is
>otherwise unavailable. In her study of pew usage in
>Winchester, French demonstrates that women had a
>sanctioned space in the nav
> * Source: Women's Space: Patronage, Place, and Gender
>in the Medieval Church. Edited by Virginia Chieffo
>Raguin and Sarah Stanbury. State University of New York
>Press, 2005. Pages 141 - 160.
> * Article Type: Essay
> * Subject: Churches; Ecclesiastical Space; Gender;
>Parishes; Pews; Social Class; London, Greater London,
>England- Westminster Abbey, Parish Church of St.
>Margaret's; Women's Community
> * Geographic Area: British Isles
> * Century: 15- 16
> * Related Resources:
> * Primary Document:
> * Illustrations:
> * Table: Four tables. Table One Seating in
>Westminster, 1460-1530. Includes figures for those buying
>seats and moving seats by sex. Table Two Men's seating in
>Westminster, 1460-1530. It divides figures between men
>with wives and those without wives. Table Three Seat
>purchasing in relation to spouse in Westminster,
>1460-1530. Table Four Women's Seating in Westminster,
>1460-1530. Including figures for those with and without
>husbands.
> * Abstract:
> * Author's Affiliation: State University of New York,
>New Paltz
> * Year of Publication: 2005.
> * Language: English
> * ISSN/ISBN:
>0791463656<http://xisbn.worldcat.org/liblook2/resolve.htm?res_id=4826&rft.isbn=0791463656&url_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:book>
>
> Tom Izbicki
>
>
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>From: "Madeleine Gray" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:00:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [M-R] seating and paving in C16 churches
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
>religion and culture
>
> Just back from a fascinating day with the Experience of
>Worship project at St Fagans, working on how the later
>medieval liturgy could have worked in practice in a small
>Welsh parish church. Two matters for debate cropped up.
>
> One is that the church was arranged with benches across
>the nave: the historical adviser to the project is
>arguing that by the 1530s the majority of churches in
>England and Wales were pewed, or at least had benches for
>the congregation. I'm more familiar with the
>bench-against-the-wall, rather free-form attitude to the
>medieval liturgy.
> We also discussed the fact that the church floor has
>been paved with flag stones (mainly to hide the
>underfloor heating which is necessary for the custodians
>in the winter). As a member of the advisory group on the
>rebuilding of the church I had felt this was a
>(necessary) compromise: but the historical adviser to the
>Experience of Worship project suggested that the majority
>of churches would in fact have been paved by the C16.
>
> Do learned list members have any thoughts on either of
>these issues? I should emphasise that we are talking very
>late medieval - the church has been decorated with a
>sequence of paintings dating fonm the 1520s and the
>liturgical reconstruction is meant to fit with that. We
>are also working in a country church in Wales, though a
>church that was open to outside influences as it was on
>an important pilgrimage route to St David's.
>
> Maddy
>
>
> Dr Madeleine Gray
> Reader in History
> School of Education/Ysgol Addysg
> University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd
> Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion,
> Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3QT Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
>
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