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The Council of Vienne (1311-12) legislated about shoes. Same period as
the sumptuary law about shoes
http://www.dailycatholic.org/history/15ecume5.htm
Tom Izbicki
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> This is really a response to Pat, whose post seems to have been eaten by
> my anti-spam filter (I only became aware of it from Henk's response).
> The tactile or olfactory weakness of the story has been noticed before:
> I've seen a version (modern? -- I can't remember) in which this is gotten
> around by ascribing to J. a customary haste in dressing.
>
> Apropos the shoes (a detail in the St. Vitalian version; I haven't seen it
> when the story is applied to Jerome), Pat makes a good point. On top of
> that, IIRC, in the Italian communes sumptuary legislation against fancy
> women's shoes begins in the fourteenth century. Such legislation is
> always later than the practices it attempts to suppress. And those
> practices in turn may have developed from earlier forms of ornamentation
> or other stylistic differentiation that were not considered offensive to
> public morals, that being ordinary will have caused no mention in our very
> partial surviving textual record, and that archaeologically either have
> escaped notice or else simply have no surviving exemplars (I don't know
> how many late twelfth- or thirteenth-century shoes survive from south
> Italian cities).
>
> Best again,
> John Dillon
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2009, at 4:32 am, Henk wriote in answer to Pat
> McIntosh-Spinnler:
>
>> Right! A very practical and down to earth question, which, IMHO, is
>> all too
>> often not asked about medieval texts in general and hagiography in
>> particular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Henk
>>
>>
>>
>> Van: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>> culture
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Pat McIntosh-Spinnler
>> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 oktober 2009 22:12
>> Aan: [log in to unmask]
>> Onderwerp: Re: [M-R] Medieval lighting [Jerome]
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>> I think "wode" and "wood" are interchangeable. Surely Malory uses "stark
>> wood" on more than one occasion?
>>
>>
>>
>> The story has many improbabilities, and the ecclesiastical dress of
>> either
>> period concerned isn't a topic I have studied. However there have been
>> many
>> eras in which male and female costume are very similar, distinguished
>> by
>> details we would see as subtle to the point of invisibility. Garments
>> might
>> be the same shape but of different preferred colours, or fastened in
>> different ways, or with embroidery round the hem (that's one of the most
>> likely giveaways in this case.) What puzzles me is how on earth Jerome
>> managed to dress in someone else's clothes without noticing he was
>> doing so,
>> even in the dark. Surely they must have felt different, or even smelled
>> wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat McIntosh-Spinnler
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