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Blue shows up in my canon law texts late, in a comment by Johannes Andreae
to the effect that, if red and green wee out, why not blue?
Tom Izbicki
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> And Peter of the Morrone, before he became Pope Celestine V,
> admonished clergy who wore blue clothes.
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> (I'm sure Michel Pastoureau has many such examples in his
> publications dealing with colour in the Middle Ages.)
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> On 21 Oct 2009, at 20:20, Tom Izbicki wrote:
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>> Clergy were not always willing to wear somber clothing on the
>> "street", at least by the thirteenth century. The Fourth Lateran
>> Council had to forbid them wearing green or red. See my article:
>>
>> Forbidden Colors in the Regulation of Clerical Dress from the
>> Fourth Lateran Council (1215) to the Time of Nicholas of Cusa (d.
>> 1464), in Medieval Clothing and Textiles 1 (2005): 105-114.
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>> I heard a paper at Leeds a few years ago that said earlier law
>> codes identified red & green with nobility.
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>> Tom Izbicki
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>> Henk wrote:
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>>> Poppycock and balderdash. If this saint was a 7th c person the
>>> differnend
>>> could not have been clear at all. It is well known that clothing
>>> of males
>>> and females at that time only differed in length not in cut. And
>>> priests
>>> wore their cottes long, down to the feet, like monks. And women.
>>> There was
>>> no real difference between women's clothing and the dress of
>>> clerics except
>>> maybe for the colour, as the latter tended to be of more sombre
>>> hue. And
>>> there was certainly no difference at all between shoes for men and
>>> women.
>>> Celebrating mass as a bishop of Capua further obliged him to don
>>> liturgical
>>> dress in the shape of a wide whitish linen garment called an alb,
>>> worn over
>>> the normal clothing and falling to his feet. After that there came
>>> the
>>> chasuble, which was a wideish poncho like mantle, a stole and a
>>> mitre. There
>>> was no way that people could see he was wearing women's clothing
>>> under all
>>> that, and if they had it would not have been clear that it was
>>> women's
>>> clothing either.
>>>
>>> Henk
>>>
>>> I'm sorry: Vitalian of Capua is a saint of the Regno who, having
>>> been absent
>>> from "saints of the day" for a couple of years, is perhaps not as
>>> familiar
>>> as many of his fellows. He has a brief Vita (BHL 1254) whose
>>> repeated
>>> sensationalism is powered by an improbability drive of some
>>> magnitude.
>>> According to this text, V.'s enemies at Capua (who later
>>> successfully got
>>> rid of him) placed women's clothing and women's shoes in his
>>> bedroom one
>>> night in the correct expectation that when he arose on the
>>> following day he
>>> would in the darkness dress himself in these and, so attired,
>>> celebrate
>>> Matins before the people and clergy. As the light grew, it became
>>> apparent
>>> to others how V. was dressed; it was widely assumed that V.'s
>>> sartorial
>>> embarrassment arose from unchaste behavior on his part.
>>> The incident is adapted from one in the legendary Vitae of St.
>>> Jerome where,
>>> with similar intent, the same trick is played and J. goes to Matins
>>> similarly dressed. Probably the easiest version of that to find
>>> will be the
>>> one in the _Legenda aurea_.
>>>
>>> Best again,
>>> John Dillon
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