Sorry Eduardo!
My sincerest apologies....
Too late at night to be posting quickly!
I guess the French cannot help itself after a long day...

But I do enjoy this conversation and feel it is very important to understand
the concepts.

Chris, in our situation the research study is sometimes ( but not always)
'practice-based' but we do not subscribe to the terminology for many of the
reasons David, Ken and others have cited. The knowledge being developed is
the key, and yes, we theorize the practice when we ask questions in research
that seeks to know and move that practice forward. We examine the theory in
the situation that it occurs, be it design, education, practice, philosophy
or science. All of what Ranulph has suggested must occur for the study to be
examined appropriately. But again I speak within our institutional framework
here at our faculty.

I guess what I am trying to say is - the Ph.D. Aménagement (horn?) is
essentially practice-based in part of its nature, but within Ken's
definition of ' an organized body of knowledge'...
Once this body of knowledge is situated, it then becomes more in the 'doing
' of the study in the field that the practice-based nature of the project
comes out, and this is very student project and discipline-specific, or
multi-contextual, depending again on the research project subject.

In the end I am afraid that it is not so much the terms that are
misunderstood, David, as perhaps sometimes the design researchers do not
understand what doctoral candidates should be producing?

Tiiu

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From: Eduardo Corte Real [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Subject: Re: Structure for practice based PhD



Dear Friends,

Thanks Lubomir for trying to point out university culture diversity, but
as we could expect, an Anglophone has always to blame the Germans. The
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang syndrome. However, another Anglophone, David as
provided us great number of examples relations between practice and
research that are and will be useful that shows that we are in very rich
transitional period for academic institutions and degrees (thanks very
much for the DART website).

Ken you wrote:

“Eduardo is describing a degree in advanced professional practice. Degrees
in advanced professional practice are valid and useful, and they serve an
important role in society". If I need a physician, I want someone with a
degree in the practice of medicine rather than a degree in medical
research.”

   (end of quote)

No I’m not describing a degree in advanced professional practice! (I would
like that you could imagine me sounding as Jon Stewart from the Daily Show)

 

I’m describing academic degrees that, for teaching in universities
requirements, are equal to PhDs! In fact, under my country’s law, with no
distinction whatsoever!

 

But let me quote OECD’s report:

 

“The wording of the current legislation should be re-examined with this
objective in mind. While not suggesting definitive wording for this purpose,
words such as the following could be considered: “PhD degrees are given on
the basis of a body of work (either through publication, exhibition,
composition or performance) that displays the originality and rigour
expected of a research degree in any field”.

 

“Furthermore, consideration should be given to award PhD by Publication.
Artists, designers or performer should be given the option to use an
existing body of published creative work as part fulfilment of a PhD”

 (end of quote)

Again like Jon Stewart whispering:

“they are using the word, Ken! They are using “pee age dee! And they are
writting in English! Can they do this?...”

 

And thanks Tiiu for your post and for Frenchising my name to Edouardo,
sounds much better,

It comes to my mind that the most wonderful French I ever heard was from
Quebec, with beautiful syllables sounding like old bicycle horns. Very
similar to our ão, ãe

Faculté d’Aménage(horn)

 Best

Eduardo

PS: Like Chris, I'm still interested in reading about structuring a
project based doctorate
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