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V. Kerry Inman remarks:
>> You need to see the yod as both consonantal and vocalic--this is to say
syllabic. It is pronounced as "i-y." Because: you cannot begin a Semitic
syllable with a vowel. The "i" is attached to the preceeding "r." While the
Hebrew transcriptions do not mark a yod as doubled, in Arabic it is always,
when marked, marked double. Interestingly we also pronounce the "i" as
syllabic in English.
The tendency is to read the last three letters as _yahu_, but I think
Rochelle's reading is correct. Or as an alternative, the name Yahu has
merged with the objective pronoun, in use. <<
If I understand you you are saying the yod should
be pointed with dagesh and that "Azariah" should
be better written Azariyah. Yes that could be
too. But this name, Azariah, is not pointed with
dagesh forte in the attestations of this name in
the Tanakh or the Talmud - the only sources I've
found for the Semitic form of this name. From
the Greek, Latin & English transliterations what
you say could be implied, although not inferred.
That is without the pointings of the attested
forms of this name the unpointed form of it
admits: Azarîah, Azaryah, & Azariyah.
If we bar the extant attestations of this name
then we can view the yod as pointed with dagest
forte so that it should be read, as you say, as
i-y. I don't know if there is an argument against
this (besides the fact that no one takes it this
way, that is points it this way).
>> You need to see the yod as both consonantal and vocalic--this is to say
syllabic. It is pronounced as "i-y." Because: you cannot begin a Semitic
syllable with a vowel. <<
Yes I should have written the syllable as zar not ar.
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Only one further comment
>
> Yes. They take Azariah with yod consonantal, but this
> could be wrong. But this would mean they mispoint the
> text no ? That is: the name Azariah is pointed in Tanakh,
> & Talmud - the only witnesses I could find to the name
> which are Semitic - with the yod consonantal. Note also
> that Koehler-Baumgartner also take the i of Azariah
> as consonantal (vide p 697, col 1). This would be perfectly
> evident if I could produce it in pointed Hebrew. I could
> spell it thus: ayin with hateph-patah, zayin with patah,
> resh with schwa, yod with qamats, he (having an implied
> schwa, never written). This way of pointing the name forces
> the yod to be consonantal no ? The last he has shureq some-
> times (i.e. the name occurs as `Azaryâhû, which is universally
> transliterated apparently in to Roman letters as Azariahu).
>
You need to see the yod as both consonantal and vocalic--this is to say
syllabic. It is pronounced as "i-y." Because: you cannot begin a Semitic
syllable with a vowel. The "i" is attached to the preceeding "r." While the
Hebrew transcriptions do not mark a yod as doubled, in Arabic it is always,
when marked, marked double. Interestingly we also pronounce the "i" as
syllabic in English.
The tendency is to read the last three letters as _yahu_, but I think
Rochelle's reading is correct. Or as an alternative, the name Yahu has
merged with the objective pronoun, in use.
V. Kerry Inman
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