Tiiu, yes I'd be interested to know more, on- or off-list. And take
your time getting to it - I'm drowning in grading right now. :-)
Cheers.
Fil
Tiiu Poldma wrote:
> Actually, Fil, in Canada, I know of one faculty doing the first:
> Here at the University of Montreal the doctoral students in the Faculty of
> Environmental Design have three preparatory seminars for research at the
> doctoral level. I unfortunately have no time to expand on this ( judgement
> on the positive or negative aspects of such preparation)....but can do so if
> you are interested,
>
> Best regards,
> Tiiu Poldma
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Filippo A. Salustri" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Rigor and supervision ...
>
>
>
>>Kristina et al,
>>
>>Of course this bring up the peculiar notion of researchers helping
>>others to learn to do research without having necessarily learned about
>>researching formally.
>>
>>...wouldn't it make sense to have PhD students take courses on the
>>matter of research as a subject? Rather like expecting PhD holders
>>destined for the lecture hall to have had some training in teaching?
>>
>>Dunno about elsewhere, but neither is provided here in Canada. Rather
>>sad, actually.
>>
>>Cheers.
>>Fil
>>
>>kristina niedderer wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Fil, Susan, et al,
>>>
>>>just a brief additional thought an Fil's
>>>characterisation of a good supervisor. I agree that
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>the ability to guide researchers as needed without
>>>>necessarily being a "domain expert".
>>>
>>>
>>>is extremely important for successful supervision.
>>>What I want to point out is the key issue that is
>>>hidden under this characterisation. It seems to me
>>>that the fact that a researcher/supervisor is able to
>>>provide this kind of guidance shows that the
>>>researcher/supervisor really has understood what
>>>research is about, i.e. its structures and logic, and
>>>therefore is able to offer advice beyond his/her own
>>>subject.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kristina
>>>
>>>Dr Kristina Niedderer, UK
>>>email: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Filippo Salustri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Susan et al,
>>>>
>>>>I think Susan has found a key characteristic of good
>>>>'supervisors': the
>>>>ability to guide researchers as needed without
>>>>necessarily being a
>>>>"domain expert". My own advisor was the same way.
>>>>The way he said it
>>>>was: "By the time you finish, your expertise in the
>>>>area of your
>>>>dissertation should exceed mine."
>>>>
>>>>This admission of being left behind by one's own
>>>>students is not
>>>>something that just any academic can do.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers.
>>>>Fil
>>>
>>>
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>>--
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>>Department of Mechanical and Industrial Engineering
>>Ryerson University Tel: 416/979-5000 x7749
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Department of Mechanical and Industrial Engineering
Ryerson University Tel: 416/979-5000 x7749
350 Victoria St. Fax: 416/979-5265
Toronto, ON email: [log in to unmask]
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