hi
Tyler and Nick
hmm there will be both forms of access
full access for students, volunteers etc who are working with us (we do
this now) with pass words of access.. but because of the system (we
cannot have two places editing the same data) we are on we cannot roll
it out to every region
limited public access "tell us your story"
Anyone can write their story .. their significance about a monument or
property. we may require free registration but that will be discussed
with the developer.
on our data model the table records name, date of input (automatic) a
long text field it is linked to monuments or historic property records
this enables us to allow for different levels of access and content
creation
as for extra time needed well as I said before I run around the country
(it takes up two thirds of my time) keeping my users happy and working
... its the only was we can keep the exegesis software going.
The cost of travel about 10,000 a year and the cost of support fees
allow us to have no more than 30 users the new system will be
essentially be limitless and we will be able to roll this out all over
and let people into our resource in all manner of ways.
so I will be able to have more users ... more time can be dedicated to
content creation instead of managing the software.
I really do not see the same problems you do ... I agree they could be
issues but we will be in a far better and sustainable situation than we
have right now
we feel with the myths, legends and historic associations ...and then
with public stories this allows us to really capture the significance of
the historic landscapes... it is the intangible heritage. Which I think
is going to increase in its importance in the coming years.
this all
hope that helps
Cheers
Jason
> To a certain extent, we may also be talking about different shades of
> things, I understood Jason to be suggesting the NTSMR would be online,
> with the public able to add records from there, which struck me as
> problematic, but I don't think that is quite what he is saying (though
> am prepared to be corrected)
Yes, we're singing from the same songsheet.
> On your second point, about a separate data structure, could I be
> devils advocate and suggest this could be achieved by not importing
the
> data at all and merely being aware of it through e.g. HEIR Port??
Yes, of course. I think the idea of stand-alone databases is becoming
increasingly outdated; I would expect that the advent of the HEEP
(Historical
Environment Exchange Protocol) Web Service – part of the FISH Toolkit –
will greatly facilitate this. However, the caveat is that very often
these elements contribute to our understanding of the HE, so we
shouldn't
necessarily divorce them from the record entirely.
> As I said I can see the advantage of using volunteers, and members of
> the public to enter data (and we do), but as Ben has pointed out there
> is a tension between this and the idea of standards, as well as the
> tension between whats needed for DC and what is part of a wider HER. I
> don't see this as an either or proposition though, more a question of
> what we prioritise.
I don't think it is a concern of standards as much as it is a concern of
data quality; the general rule of thumb should be if it helps us better
understand the HE, bring it into the record.
> Also, one of my personal bugbears is duplicated
> effort and the question is why do we need to have copies of records in
> an HER, rather than point at them somewhere else - unless we are going
> to do something with them. And that would fit in with your idea of an
> HER specialist revising/synthesising different data sources to some
sort
> of coherence. The point of issue is what data to we want to
synthesise,
> and to what priority and to what market. In my view our priority
market
> is the other DC staff who primarily use the SMR, IE there needs should
> come first, but that doesn't mean we can't meet those priorities in
ways
> that aren't useful for other users. Just some thoughts
Yes, again the HEEP will facilitate this remote exchange: I would expect
that very soon you will be seeing some of the first machine-to-machine
data transfer, obviating the need for constant export. The practical
incarnation of this will be simple: for example, you might be browsing
a
site in your HER, and the application would automatically query the PAS
database, listing finds discovered nearby. If you have the correct
access
permissions, these finds would be listed on the monument page. The data
is never transferred into your HER. Very handy.
T
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Dr Tyler Bell
Technical Director
Oxford ArchDigital Ltd.
http://oxarchdigital.com
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