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A survey on violent films

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kenny <[log in to unmask]>

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Film-Philosophy Salon <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:19:31 +0800

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Dear Sir/Madam,
I am conducting a research on violent movies to produce my graduate thesis.  Would you do me the favor to finish the survey attached within?  I would be very grateful if you could help me.  Thank you very much!

Sincerely yours,
Kenny Woo



> 
> Warning: 
> Pass if you are not interested in
> politics - erase if you are not interested in a liberal point of view -
> skip if you have anything else but venting to do - forgive if you
> don't skip and read parts or all of this long message to only waste
> your time in the end -
> respond if you have any constructive suggestion... 
> 
> To the list moderator: sorry
> this is probably
> inappropriate on a film-philosophy list, but I take it your allowing
> the exchange so far is also because what the heck happened Tuesday is
> not exactly appropriate for the world either.
> 
> ----
> In response to statements I can't believe I
> am seeing on this
> list, not for their political bias but for their simplicity.
> 
> "Hi, we are Americans. We like
> to
> elect actors. [...] Brahim Kerry who talks down to most Americans...
> The Dems, except for Bill
> Clinton, come off
> as indecisive and ineffectual, which are traditionally not leadership
> qualities.  The Dems cannot get away with
> being GOP lite -- it doesn't work. And, Kerry's kitesurfing photo-op,
> not too
> manly..."
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
> "Kerry has the charisma of a
> carrot" (must be a man's or a republican's or both view, as a woman I
> disagree, I do not know anything that is more charismatic than
> intelligence.)
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Defense and lllustration of the Democrat Victory.
> 
> The democrats did not lose. Democracy did.
> Please, stop insulting Americans, and
> democrats, and people who can speak in compound sentences, and any
> citizen that
> actually takes the time to do what is called research and analysis.
> Furthermore, what is this "We are this, "We are that" that? Speak for
> your self: I am Americana and I don't like or not like to elect actors,
> if actors are competent why not. Furthermore, personally I am not this
> or that, I am only becoming.
>  But if 'we' are one
> thing in this country, it is
> a multiplicity, and 'we' includes you who vote for bush, but I as part
> of this we am not that dumb. And there are at least 56 millions of us.
> 
> Of course millions of Americans voted for
> Bush, hundreds of thousands of French regularly vote for aberrations
> like Le Pen. How many Brits
> are still supporting Blair? What is the first thing that the leader the
> Australians just elect did? There are dumb people everywhere, so what
> else is new?
> Granted Bush takes the cake and
> the fact is millions of Americans would vote for Popeye
> if he was running - heck: they are ready to follow Jesus as soon as he
> shows up
> again in the next Kmart parking lot, which I understand is anytime now.
> But
> Popeye and Jesus is all they get on their TV stations, and TV watching
> is all
> they are told they are able to do. So they would have elected Michael
> Moore if the media had told them to do so, then told them they had done
> so if they had not quite followed the orders in the end. Don't blame
> them, they are not allowed to know better - and if we keep respecting
> this ignorance, they never will. We however
> should.
> Americans are not stupid, they
> are too well educated not to be critical, so they are duped
> into believing they are stupid enough to re-elect Bush. And so is the
> world apparently. However, it is not because a large number of people
> think something, that it is true - the earth used to be flat and the
> sun to turn around it. That sold well too for a few centuries. But
> don't be fooled - twice.
> 
> Blame those who repeat like
> puppets the
> emtpy slogans they are fed "democrats don't have leadership qualities"
> until even they are blue in the face. The
> current neo-cons are leading kids to their death, the irakis to a
> genocide, and
> the world to WWIII. If you call that leadership, have your head checked
> and
> watch Chaplin again, as efficient as it may be, it is only madness.
> Plenty of people see that too.
> If you want to represent
> America, count the
> morons in, but I'd be willing to bet their proportion is not any bigger
> than in
> any other country - in my other and equally loved one, there is also a
> France profonde, and a whole bunch of pecnauds whose depth is measured
> in abysmal ignorance as well. If there is a country that does not have
> that, let me know, I can move again. What is bigger in the US than
> anywhere else in the world though is not the dumb mass, it is the mass
> of capital that is
> concentrated in a few hands - no brilliant or original discovery here,
> basic Nietzsche, Marx, and Freud 101 theory, hasn't changed. So
> 59,054,087
> million people - may be more, may be less, who knows - may be that
> dumb, but America is
> not.
> 
>  " but what
> i think is now clear 
> beyond
> doubt is that bush DID indeed run a "better" campaign in that he did
> whatever 
> it was
> necessary to do to get 60 million people to vote for him"
> That, however, is partially
> correct. Bush did not run a better campaign, even of you define better
> as more efficient since it got him to stay he did, this is not
> something you can be sure beyond doubt. Let's rather say Rove and his
> team undboutedly did  whatever
> was necessary to get 60 million votes - operative term is whatever, not
> votes.  And whatever, included but not equal to votes, convinced people
> that the opponent team had lost, and the opponent team itself it should
> give up. As far as the number of people who actually voted
> for Bush and Kerry, that we will never know, especially if we continue
> to equate votes to published numbers. 
> So to explain this election,
> don't blame
> Americans: fueling anti-American feeling also serves the demagogues in
> power. People don't hate Americans for their freedom or anything else.
> Most people don't have enough time to hate unless something falls on
> their heads - hence 9/11, or they are weekly reminded to do so. Even
> the French actually don't hate Americans if you ask them, they are
> however told by Americans how much they do on a regular basis. 
> Don't blame the results on the democrats either. Blame
> those who practice the lobotomies by making education financially out
> of reach
> in this country; prevent profs to address any remotely critical
> questions; buy
> all national channels, newspapers etc.; direct companies that make
> voting
> ballots only to run for office themselves; blame the judges that do not
> put
> Walden O'Dell in jail; the international courts that do not declare the
> war on
> Irak a crime; the governors that do not send absentee or provisional
> ballots to
> entire areas including the military; the supreme justices that claim
> that challenging
> a voter is as valid as it was 200 years ago but want to change the
> constitution
> about marriage; those who refuse to change the voting day because they
> know
> most workers can't take the necessary hours it takes to stand in line
> and vote
> on a Tuesday. Blame the coward journalists and those that do not bring
> these
> issues to the forefront of the papers.
> The only thing you
> can blame democrats for
> in this country is being too disciplined - and too courteous to tell
> people
> that their "W. simply plays better on tee vee (he does working class
> drag
> well) than Brahim Kerry who talks down to most Americans" is only the
> incredibly
> childish and rehashed reason that is provided to be repeated by loyal
> members and local robots - they are remarkably consistent in doing so
> indeed. I hope this is an aberration on a site like this
> - or was this message a joke? if I missed the irony somehow, I
> apologize, I have
> heard so many basic and empty arguments this week that I have lost my
> sense of humor- temporarily I hope. 
> Go back to factual
> analysis. Make sure you remember 56, xxx, xxx
> millions (may be more, may be less, we will never know unless we act
> now) of we-us Americans
> voted for reason, wisdom, knowledge, experience, proven results,
> insight, and dare we say enlightened
> humanism - not to mention actual international political competence,
> not that competence is a
> big deal to rule the world apparently. And those of we-us who did not
> vote for
> that voted against war, against lies, against abuse of power, against
> Halliburton, against body bags sneaked into this country at night,
> against the
> suppression of civil liberty, millions of Americans are neither
> Democrats nor
> dumb. 
> 
> The difference does not come
> from values or
> other crap like my last argument they tell us is supposed to separate
> our "cult-ures." They are preparing to elect judges that will make the
> moral majority era (remember
> that one) feel like Sodom and Gomorrha, remember. How else do you think
> they are going to sell that if not by brainswashing people with moral
> detergent? This has little to do with the previous election and
> everything to do with the upcoming nominations.
> 
> The difference comes
> from the black boxes in which the
> votes were cast. And the trucks in which the ballots were put, and the
> back roads
> many of them took. And the votes that are still not counted. And the
> number of
> times people pushed K and W was tabulated, and even if they saw it,
> when they asked to go back to the
> previous screen the prompt told them they had already voted. And the
> number of prepackaged bush votes that were in the program patches. Not
> any clue
> on how to use the machines. The number of areas where there were 4200
> votes for
> Bush and 2700 for Kerry when 638 people only voted in that county. And
> the
> number of areas where no one dared to report they letting xx,000 votes
> disappear, because their machine could only take 30,000 votes, but they
> were
> not told so, and when they found out, they probably did not want to
> make waves,
> let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Or they were politely but
> firmly
> convinced it did not make a difference and it would only divide the
> country
> like in 2000. Blame the makers of the ATM machines that claim they
> can't equip
> voting ones with a receipt printer, and the judges that say that say
> having a
> third world voting system is all right for our country. Track the
> providers of
> pens given in certain FL counties whose alcohol based ink does not
> scan. Ask
> for these stories to be told. Let's try to imagine all the ways that
> can have been used to cheat and go look for evidence. They cheated last
> time, they have the burden of proof this time, but we still must file
> the suit. 
> 
> Show me the proof, I have
> already seen the money.
> 
>  Look into all this,
> and 9/11 conveniently happening a few months after Europe looked like
> it was finally getting itself together, and the Asia markets opening
> and pumping money in this country. Then if you want to blame Americans,
> blame them for
> their intelligence (the well-oiled machiavelian one they used to cheat)
> that makes even intelligent Americans doubt their own reason and
> believe more lies.
> 
> Do not get into their game of
> defending the
> democrat platform, it needs no defending only reinforcing. That is
> exactly what the neo-cons want: force you to justify
> righteousness while they better pass corruption for morality. Endless
> debates
> on the manlyhood of windsurfing (please) and the charisma of bush
> (barf) is
> exactly what this administration thrives on: political Scott Peterson
> and Michael
> Jackson, distraction of the good people. 
> No mourning either, we may have been assassinated, but we are not dead.
> 
> Contemplate the possibility
> that gay marriage beat the massive
> coalition of anti-bush people is even more opium for the masses who ban
> the legalization of marijuana (even for very conservative compassionate
> reasons.)
>  
> Yet another lie: You
> should be used to it by now, not one single
> piece of truth has ever been given to us in 4 years. Why would this
> election
> result be any different? 
> 
> Sexuality is a pretext. I am
> rather cynical but I contend that people did not stand in line for 10
> hours under the rain or by 90 degree heat to make sure they keep the
> monopoly of the joys of marriage and the thrills of divorce. People do
> that to make sure their kids are not sent to the slaughter house, their
> parents allowed a decent old age, their mates given the hope of  a job,
> and their president able to inspire respect instead of fear and
> derision. Even dumb Americans are not dumb enough... But putting the
> issue on the ballot allows to claim that. Another genius move. See
> beyond it, don't start giving a posteriori validation to this
> sexualization of hatred by publishing more papers about the great
> homo-hetero divide. Do not dignify these strategies, don't even take
> the time to dissect them, reject them, stop writing  about racism,
> sexism, homophobia, and other anti-....isms for a while, use your
> energy to denounce fascism: do not let them tell you what your enemy
> is. It is not the red-neck who fights in a bar over Adam and Steve. I
> wish it were, this would be an easy one to beat.
> 
> Many of us know most American
> people are kind, helpful, generous and respectful of the real valuable
> Judeo-Christian and other values: compassion for the week, care for
> others, loyalty, honesty, to only name a few,   let's stop playing
> the blame game. This administration is not only dividing its people to
> conquer the presidency, it is attempting to conquer the world - before
> Europe and Asia can balance the equation - by dividing the world
> between pro and anti U.S. In a self-fulfilling prophecy, they are
> trying to make sure Americans feel they are hated so much and by so
> many people that they have to be in the perpetual state of war they
> have already started as it is the only powerful source to fuel any
> fascist machine and feed their bank accounts: look at which stocks
> increased the day after the election. That is the reason for the
> results, not Americans. If we fall into the trap of also starting
> hating ourselves, hatred will profit them ad infinitum. 
> 
> Let's show the world and remind
> Americans they are not dumb: I am not sure how to do it though, this is
> also a plea for ideas, but here are suggestions.
> 
> 1st step: talk to
> your students, friends, colleagues worldwide,
> and tell them not to buy this so called 3 millions vote difference and
> massive American
> reaction: Bush was reelected with the smallest margin an incumbent
> president
> had since W. Wilson in 1918 - Kerry had more votes than anyone in a
> looooooong
> time - there were 10 percent increase in the youth and African-American
> vote (huge increase) -  had a majority of voters age
> been between 18 and 29, there would have been 3 kerry to 1 bush, etc.
> etc.
> Reagan was elected by 49 states and even he did not have a big enough
> ego to
> claim he had a mandate.
> Furthermore, though the map
> looks red,
> there are more people in the blue states than in the red ones,
> (California is
> more populated than many red midwest states put together). The blue
> states pay
> the taxes that allow red states the luxury to spend their time
> preaching. The
> blue states come up with the stem cell research to save the butt of the
> red
> states that can't wait to ban it. While the red states fear the so
> called
> terrorists, the blue states get attacked and threatened and attacked
> and they
> still vote for Kerry. The blue states are trying to save the kids the
> red
> states do not so gladly sacrifice.
> So don't
> oversimplify, only idiots,
> American or else - stupidy is not confined to national borders
> unfortunately, see the world in black and white - and there are plenty
> of
> those around but there are just as many of us who are not color
> blind... There
> are blues in red states, and reds in blue states: many states like FL,
> OH, NM etc
> are in fact purple, half red, half blue. The fact that they are
> eventually
> painted red because of a few thousands of votes, before many others -
> fraudulent and legitimate - are even counted, is another tragic farce
> staged by the
> media. Remember, in some FL counties, the vote for Bush increased by
> 400%, the
> population by 2%. If that strikes you as odd, get informed, wonder
> where else it happened, and do the math.
> But most of all stop endorsing
> clich巗 on
> lists like this one at least, disseminate facts not words - and do so
> worldwide. 
> 
> 2nd step: Go to
> blackboxvoting.org and send
> $5 - only 3 pounds - so they actually recount the Ohio and Florida
> votes and
> audit all the Diebold machines to start with, then slap a massive
> lawsuit for
> voting irregularities. It will be in vain, but it will eventually hit
> home and
> the world will know about it. Everything comes out here eventually,
> even when
> people like Nixon actually contemplates suppressing an election, it is
> eventually known. Americans wondered for a while if this one would be
> suppressed. It would have been too obvious, even for the neo-cons - so
> they
> probably did not suppress many votes either, they multiplied the ones
> they
> needed.
> Stream Air America radio in
> your offices if
> you get the blue's blues and feel tempted to retake the road most
> traveled by
> and resume believing them. Send them money so they get more affiliates
> and balance the hegemonical falwell-limbaugh logorrhea.
> 
> Offer help to the YD groups on
> your
> campuses. They are the ones who are going to die id they don't kill
> first: we know war is not as pretty as their computer games, we must
> protect
> them. 
> 
> Send them to
> http://optruth.org/main.cfm,
> that massacre has got to stop.
> 
> Assign comparative studies of
> Chomsky's books, Maher's Real Time
> show, John Stewart Daily News, Derrida and Habermas on 9/11. Give
> students various
> viewpoints to help them consolidate theirs, and rhetorical tools to
> redefine
> terror, recommend a course in critical thinking, repeat the difference
> between faith
> and fanaticism, religion and cult, morality and bigotry, science and
> ignorance.
> Truth and lie. Help them stand up to these students that tell them
> their
> opinion - no matter how uneducated - is as valid as theirs or yours. It
> is
> simple, they have the right to their opinion, that does not make their
> opinion
> right: knowledge, experience, research, thought, empirical evidence,
> rational
> demonstration, expert consensus do. 
> Don't let your students repeat
> the media mantra and tell you someone
> objective is someone that equally respects both sides - by which they
> mean
> theirs. Being objective is founding one's judgment on objects and on
> facts - it is unilateral, they should understand that. Faith
> is not based on fact, that is why it is called.. faith and not
> certainty. Faith has a place in
> church and in any one's heart that wishes it. It does not have a place
> in
> public schools and in the government. A religious based government is
> anti-constitutional, it is still illegal in this country. That is a
> fact. 
> 
> These results on the other hand
> are not based on facts, or else we could count the printed receipts.
> They may be accurate, and Bush may have won. I am not contesting that
> possibility, I am demanding that it be proven to me. This
> administration and the press saying they won is, in recent history, the
> proof of the contrary.
> 
> If the facts show one side is
> illegal, we
> can decide to respect it but do not need to give it any argumentative
> value, or
> even presence. We need to take such a stance, and reclaim the reason
> neo-cons
> were all too happy to see us trash with the excesses that the eighties
> produced.
> While we were dictating rules of dating, assassinating the
> Enlightenment out of
> guilt and opportunism - how many publications did that allow, let us
> blame
> academic greed or need not Americans - and joyfully distorting Derrida
> to claim there was no meaning therefore writing a paper on Madonna was
> far superior to reading Smith - when it is only
> much easier and faster to go to print - the Straussians were quietly
> continuing to acquire every single tools
> of powerful communication (aka not academic ones) they would need. And
> we even deliver them students who, after our miscontruing differance
> for our own benefit, no longer feel the need to justify their claims.
> Therefore they are not equiped to even think about demanding their
> government did. Now that we have strangled reason, they can better
> enforce the ruling of opinion - clearly defined as  conform to theirs-
> and corner us into a
> constantly re-active apologetic position, for which we should blame
> them but seem to only blame ourselves. Mistake. They win because they
> never blame themselves. Let' s imitate that until we regain the means
> to resume being decent.
> 
> We Americans can see that we
> screwed
> up but not for the reasons they tell us. Do not let them also dictate
> how we are going to punish ourselves. Forget blame, we now must act, no
> need to keep apologizing for this election. Not need to be gracious and
> recognize anything else than their superior will to lie and cheat
> people out of their rights. We-the
> us did not vote for Bush. Let's affirm that barring voter's fraud,
> Kerry
> would have won: people from all states, all classes, and all parties
> did
> mobilize in a massive and unique way. This administration cheats, lies,
> kills,
> ruins, endorses defamation, profits from wars, steps on the corpses and
> maimed
> bodies of American kids, disregards its citizens' on a daily basis,
> rolls over those of the iraki,
> demonizes France as the embodiment of the Enlightenment values they
> hate and the secular government they dread, paints every muslim as a
> terrorist, claims every evangelical Christian should now consider
> himself a saint (gender is important), and no one else is a person of
> true faith.
> Then Bush gets on a W branded soap-box and claims God is presiding over
> all that, and the people know it. 
> No they don't. Not all of them. Not even the majority of them. As
> an agnostic, I find that appropriation repulsive: I am not the only
> one, plenty
> of 'us' democrats of faith are outraged too. We need to keep upping our
> chin and
> speaking our language, even if it looks like we are talking down to the
> ignorant,
> the biased, the bigot. We all know that is not true, democrats do not
> occupy
> the high grounds. Do not ask yourself what you can do for your party, borrow their rhetoric and demand
> that the other party atone for what they are doing to our country .
> Quote the Bible, remind them of the description of the Hypocrite. 
> 3rd step: Start thinking about
> how
> academics/intellectuals/thinkers - I assume most of us are one form or
> another
> here? - worldwide can do something practical to counteract this
> debilitating
> discourse, instead of posting messages rehashing basic propaganda sound
> bites.
> Film and cultural studies are a
> great space
> from which to disseminate truth (probably more than philosophy these
> days) - I am Deleuzian but I also claim there is such
> thing as truth, be it only the opposite of neo-con lies - but to
> reclaim the
> truth we also need radio shows, tv stations, internet blogs etc. etc.
> We need
> Michael Moore - the "demoncrat" - to shoot 3 movies a year before
> they shoot him too: how can we extend film criticism to work with film
> making?
> How can we relink philosophy to social and activist praxis? Again, sign
> the UCI petition against Derrida's NY Times obituary and assign  his
> recent works on ethics, institutions and the RIGHT  to philosophy. We
> need to reconfigure democracy in a global perspective.
> 
> Hint to the editor: could we
> put together a
> special issue on war images, freedom images, democracy images? Can we
> try
> something across disciplines, check into what visual sociologists can
> do to
> help in terms of analysis for instance? Find out what the medical
> discourses are starting to say about the war? Can we start an
> initiative to work with anti-war military families and gather the
> pictures the
> soldiers take or send in/from Irak to compile them into a massive
> testimonial -
> in the US we don't see any real pictures. Thank you Great Britain for
> putting what we Americans also think on your magazine covers.
> 
> Let us not waste energy reading
> debates, including
> what I am producing to say so. It is like for Nader, great guy, bad
> timing, wrong battle. Now is not
> the time to make a point or point fingers at anyone else than those who
> put the world in danger. Now is the time to go to war with one weapon,
> our minds, one ammunition, justice, one propaganda machine, reason, and
> put all that at the service of those - George Soros et al. - who can
> afford the real equipment - media, media, media. Give our message half
> a chance to be heard and you will see dumbness fade and red vanish. 
> 
> But first of all, let us refuse
> to try to understand an
> incomprehensible result: let us take it for what it probably is, one
> more lie.
> Let us Americans not get caught
> into the usual democrat
> soul searching trip -we are already too good at blaming ourselves, that
> is why
> we are enlightened and democrats in the first place; introspection,
> sense of
> responsibility is good, but not now. For once, let us not doubt: Reject
> this
> "we missed the values factor, we need move to the center (!), we did
> not
> account for redneck power, we "talked down" to hicks, they don't like
> it, they came back with a vengeance etc. Let's start reaching to the
> church
> groups" etc. Forget that: no surrender to hatred and self-interest.
> Plenty
> of church goers vote democrat. Plenty of Republican church goers voted
> for Kerry.
> 
>  If people are
> uneducated racist hicks,
> religious fanatics, ignorant and delusional idiots, we as educators
> have the same ethical obligation as an MD who must  fight a disease
> even if it is painful to the patient. We need to let them know so, even
> if it hurts both them and us, and  help
> them change, we don't have to say it is Ok for you to be a bigot
> because after all,
> all values are equal. Ignorance is dangerous, fascism is wrong, and
> bigotry is not a value. And I will not let anyone tell me that I am
> arrogant or an elitist for thinking that. Sorry, been there, done that,
> does not work and lets people far more arrogant, fare more elitist, and
> far worse-intentioned take over. No more. Help was on the way, did not
> make it on that road due to massive obstruction - it will take another
> path. Let us help ourselves and help Kerry and the democrats that
> remain in DC keep helping all Americans and their friends around the
> world. I have got news, "haven't you heard..." there are many of those
> too.
> 
> We did not miss the values
> issue, we have
> all the values: human rights, healthcare, protection of the
> environment, giving
> a job to working classes, providing care to 45 million people here and
> Aids
> help to an entire continent, end mass murdering, stop imperialist wars,
> protect
> work and make capital accountable, reconcile allies and friends,
> protect love -
> any form of it. We have tolerance, even for religious fanatics as long
> as they
> don't turn into murderers. The list is far from being exhaustive.
> And we let people tell us we no
> longer support values
> because we want to allow gay people to get married? It really did not
> make the
> difference in this election anyway, so let's say so, then add we are
> proud of valuing freedom. Democrats were
> told they did not support
> values when they gave slaves their freedom, female citizens their right
> to
> vote, African Americans the authorization to drink from a water
> fountain, sit
> in a bus, walk in a neighborhood, women the right to abort. Let's
> tell the world we are the Americans that continue to support equal
> rights for
> all, whites, blacks, browns and whatever color anyone wishes to dress
> her-himself in.
> LEt us reach out to those who think that is a real value. Let us tell
> the world we do not sacrifice fetuses lightly because we respect life
> and they don't, which is also why we do
> not send people to die easily, be it on an electric chair, the seat of
> a Hummer, the end of an automatic rifle, or even the lack of basic
> healthcare. Let us tell the world America has always stood
> for progress and that still means a social one. It also means it does
> recognize
> its mistakes, shortcomings, and imperialism, but democrats are trying
> to stop
> it, and we will all make up for it.
>  
>  "Make no mistake about it"
> today, we are the ones who have values, one
> of them is to still denounce the same bigotry, greed, arrogance,
> anti-intellectualism, oppression, colonialism, hatred too many  people - in America and every where else in
> the world - have called values for centuries because they have the K to
> rewrite the dictionaries and erase the memories. The KKK members claim
> they
> have values too. So we would have lost because we have so little values
> that we
> prefer bush's smirk over Kerry's compound sentences? On what planet but
> Bushland is that a reality? Bushland is not America.
> Neither is the America
> that supports Bush. America is all of it, so all America must be given
> a voice.
> That is not what happened again this time. That is what we need to
> change - starting now: challenge the result. 
> America is a very complex and
> powerful
> phenomenon. So is every nation, every people, every person, every
> being, every atom. Power on the other hand is simple, it is always the
> same, every where, but it does not have to be used against people. We
> the people can
> retake it at anytime. We need the help of us, we need the help of the
> rest of the world. This is no longer a nation-state story. This is
> about global peace. 
> 
> Anyone agreeing with that and
> interested in brainstorming
> on what our role could be as global thinkers in the building of an
> active
> coalition strong enough to take on the neo-con war machine, please
> contact me. 
> Spread the word. And change the
> record, it is broken. Help
> us start the evolution.
> Thank you for
> your kindness and wisdom, Dr. Jacobs.
> 
>  Back to my article
> on Sade and the urgency
> to rethink... violence.
>  Respectfully. And
> gratefully for the freedom to speak.
> 
>  Dr. fabienne-sophie
> chauderlot
> Ph.D. - MBA
> Franco-American liberal humanist
> intellectual and proud of it all
>  
> Jason Jacobs wrote:
> 
>   I'd like to thank Mark Wenzel for
> his considered response to my enquiry (it would have been so easy to
> have been patronising, but Mark was considerate and patient), and
> everyone for the fascinating discussions. My question was prompted I
> suppose by the shock at seeing Martha and Prof. Koehler talking about
> 'grief' and 'mourning'. This seemed to me to be a melodramatic response
> (not hysterical, I suppose I'm using the concept technically in a film
> studies sense) - excessive in the sense it was out of all proportion to
> what I perceived as the substantive differences between the two
> candidates. This may well be an appropriate response, it's hard for me
> to judge not living there. But I do think it is interesting, but
> perhaps less excessive than I initially thought. 
>   
>   By the way I'm a British citizen who
> now lives in Australia, and I love America - my research trips there
> always confirm the generosity, confidence and openness of American
> people that I think many of you may be finding it hard to acknowledge
> at the moment. (I think it is possible to love a country without being
> a patriot by the way.)
>   
> Dr Jason Jacobs
> Senior Lecturer
> School of Arts, Media and Culture
> Griffith University
> Nathan Campus
> Queensland 4111
> Australia
> Phone: (07) 3875 5164
> Fax: (07) 3875 7730
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