Dear Sir/Madam, I am conducting a research on violent movies to produce my graduate thesis. Would you do me the favor to finish the survey attached within? I would be very grateful if you could help me. Thank you very much! Sincerely yours, Kenny Woo > > Warning: > Pass if you are not interested in > politics - erase if you are not interested in a liberal point of view - > skip if you have anything else but venting to do - forgive if you > don't skip and read parts or all of this long message to only waste > your time in the end - > respond if you have any constructive suggestion... > > To the list moderator: sorry > this is probably > inappropriate on a film-philosophy list, but I take it your allowing > the exchange so far is also because what the heck happened Tuesday is > not exactly appropriate for the world either. > > ---- > In response to statements I can't believe I > am seeing on this > list, not for their political bias but for their simplicity. > > "Hi, we are Americans. We like > to > elect actors. [...] Brahim Kerry who talks down to most Americans... > The Dems, except for Bill > Clinton, come off > as indecisive and ineffectual, which are traditionally not leadership > qualities. The Dems cannot get away with > being GOP lite -- it doesn't work. And, Kerry's kitesurfing photo-op, > not too > manly..." > --------------------------------------------- > > "Kerry has the charisma of a > carrot" (must be a man's or a republican's or both view, as a woman I > disagree, I do not know anything that is more charismatic than > intelligence.) > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Defense and lllustration of the Democrat Victory. > > The democrats did not lose. Democracy did. > Please, stop insulting Americans, and > democrats, and people who can speak in compound sentences, and any > citizen that > actually takes the time to do what is called research and analysis. > Furthermore, what is this "We are this, "We are that" that? Speak for > your self: I am Americana and I don't like or not like to elect actors, > if actors are competent why not. Furthermore, personally I am not this > or that, I am only becoming. > But if 'we' are one > thing in this country, it is > a multiplicity, and 'we' includes you who vote for bush, but I as part > of this we am not that dumb. And there are at least 56 millions of us. > > Of course millions of Americans voted for > Bush, hundreds of thousands of French regularly vote for aberrations > like Le Pen. How many Brits > are still supporting Blair? What is the first thing that the leader the > Australians just elect did? There are dumb people everywhere, so what > else is new? > Granted Bush takes the cake and > the fact is millions of Americans would vote for Popeye > if he was running - heck: they are ready to follow Jesus as soon as he > shows up > again in the next Kmart parking lot, which I understand is anytime now. > But > Popeye and Jesus is all they get on their TV stations, and TV watching > is all > they are told they are able to do. So they would have elected Michael > Moore if the media had told them to do so, then told them they had done > so if they had not quite followed the orders in the end. Don't blame > them, they are not allowed to know better - and if we keep respecting > this ignorance, they never will. We however > should. > Americans are not stupid, they > are too well educated not to be critical, so they are duped > into believing they are stupid enough to re-elect Bush. And so is the > world apparently. However, it is not because a large number of people > think something, that it is true - the earth used to be flat and the > sun to turn around it. That sold well too for a few centuries. But > don't be fooled - twice. > > Blame those who repeat like > puppets the > emtpy slogans they are fed "democrats don't have leadership qualities" > until even they are blue in the face. The > current neo-cons are leading kids to their death, the irakis to a > genocide, and > the world to WWIII. If you call that leadership, have your head checked > and > watch Chaplin again, as efficient as it may be, it is only madness. > Plenty of people see that too. > If you want to represent > America, count the > morons in, but I'd be willing to bet their proportion is not any bigger > than in > any other country - in my other and equally loved one, there is also a > France profonde, and a whole bunch of pecnauds whose depth is measured > in abysmal ignorance as well. If there is a country that does not have > that, let me know, I can move again. What is bigger in the US than > anywhere else in the world though is not the dumb mass, it is the mass > of capital that is > concentrated in a few hands - no brilliant or original discovery here, > basic Nietzsche, Marx, and Freud 101 theory, hasn't changed. So > 59,054,087 > million people - may be more, may be less, who knows - may be that > dumb, but America is > not. > > " but what > i think is now clear > beyond > doubt is that bush DID indeed run a "better" campaign in that he did > whatever > it was > necessary to do to get 60 million people to vote for him" > That, however, is partially > correct. Bush did not run a better campaign, even of you define better > as more efficient since it got him to stay he did, this is not > something you can be sure beyond doubt. Let's rather say Rove and his > team undboutedly did whatever > was necessary to get 60 million votes - operative term is whatever, not > votes. And whatever, included but not equal to votes, convinced people > that the opponent team had lost, and the opponent team itself it should > give up. As far as the number of people who actually voted > for Bush and Kerry, that we will never know, especially if we continue > to equate votes to published numbers. > So to explain this election, > don't blame > Americans: fueling anti-American feeling also serves the demagogues in > power. People don't hate Americans for their freedom or anything else. > Most people don't have enough time to hate unless something falls on > their heads - hence 9/11, or they are weekly reminded to do so. Even > the French actually don't hate Americans if you ask them, they are > however told by Americans how much they do on a regular basis. > Don't blame the results on the democrats either. Blame > those who practice the lobotomies by making education financially out > of reach > in this country; prevent profs to address any remotely critical > questions; buy > all national channels, newspapers etc.; direct companies that make > voting > ballots only to run for office themselves; blame the judges that do not > put > Walden O'Dell in jail; the international courts that do not declare the > war on > Irak a crime; the governors that do not send absentee or provisional > ballots to > entire areas including the military; the supreme justices that claim > that challenging > a voter is as valid as it was 200 years ago but want to change the > constitution > about marriage; those who refuse to change the voting day because they > know > most workers can't take the necessary hours it takes to stand in line > and vote > on a Tuesday. Blame the coward journalists and those that do not bring > these > issues to the forefront of the papers. > The only thing you > can blame democrats for > in this country is being too disciplined - and too courteous to tell > people > that their "W. simply plays better on tee vee (he does working class > drag > well) than Brahim Kerry who talks down to most Americans" is only the > incredibly > childish and rehashed reason that is provided to be repeated by loyal > members and local robots - they are remarkably consistent in doing so > indeed. I hope this is an aberration on a site like this > - or was this message a joke? if I missed the irony somehow, I > apologize, I have > heard so many basic and empty arguments this week that I have lost my > sense of humor- temporarily I hope. > Go back to factual > analysis. Make sure you remember 56, xxx, xxx > millions (may be more, may be less, we will never know unless we act > now) of we-us Americans > voted for reason, wisdom, knowledge, experience, proven results, > insight, and dare we say enlightened > humanism - not to mention actual international political competence, > not that competence is a > big deal to rule the world apparently. And those of we-us who did not > vote for > that voted against war, against lies, against abuse of power, against > Halliburton, against body bags sneaked into this country at night, > against the > suppression of civil liberty, millions of Americans are neither > Democrats nor > dumb. > > The difference does not come > from values or > other crap like my last argument they tell us is supposed to separate > our "cult-ures." They are preparing to elect judges that will make the > moral majority era (remember > that one) feel like Sodom and Gomorrha, remember. How else do you think > they are going to sell that if not by brainswashing people with moral > detergent? This has little to do with the previous election and > everything to do with the upcoming nominations. > > The difference comes > from the black boxes in which the > votes were cast. And the trucks in which the ballots were put, and the > back roads > many of them took. And the votes that are still not counted. And the > number of > times people pushed K and W was tabulated, and even if they saw it, > when they asked to go back to the > previous screen the prompt told them they had already voted. And the > number of prepackaged bush votes that were in the program patches. Not > any clue > on how to use the machines. The number of areas where there were 4200 > votes for > Bush and 2700 for Kerry when 638 people only voted in that county. And > the > number of areas where no one dared to report they letting xx,000 votes > disappear, because their machine could only take 30,000 votes, but they > were > not told so, and when they found out, they probably did not want to > make waves, > let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Or they were politely but > firmly > convinced it did not make a difference and it would only divide the > country > like in 2000. Blame the makers of the ATM machines that claim they > can't equip > voting ones with a receipt printer, and the judges that say that say > having a > third world voting system is all right for our country. Track the > providers of > pens given in certain FL counties whose alcohol based ink does not > scan. Ask > for these stories to be told. Let's try to imagine all the ways that > can have been used to cheat and go look for evidence. They cheated last > time, they have the burden of proof this time, but we still must file > the suit. > > Show me the proof, I have > already seen the money. > > Look into all this, > and 9/11 conveniently happening a few months after Europe looked like > it was finally getting itself together, and the Asia markets opening > and pumping money in this country. Then if you want to blame Americans, > blame them for > their intelligence (the well-oiled machiavelian one they used to cheat) > that makes even intelligent Americans doubt their own reason and > believe more lies. > > Do not get into their game of > defending the > democrat platform, it needs no defending only reinforcing. That is > exactly what the neo-cons want: force you to justify > righteousness while they better pass corruption for morality. Endless > debates > on the manlyhood of windsurfing (please) and the charisma of bush > (barf) is > exactly what this administration thrives on: political Scott Peterson > and Michael > Jackson, distraction of the good people. > No mourning either, we may have been assassinated, but we are not dead. > > Contemplate the possibility > that gay marriage beat the massive > coalition of anti-bush people is even more opium for the masses who ban > the legalization of marijuana (even for very conservative compassionate > reasons.) > > Yet another lie: You > should be used to it by now, not one single > piece of truth has ever been given to us in 4 years. Why would this > election > result be any different? > > Sexuality is a pretext. I am > rather cynical but I contend that people did not stand in line for 10 > hours under the rain or by 90 degree heat to make sure they keep the > monopoly of the joys of marriage and the thrills of divorce. People do > that to make sure their kids are not sent to the slaughter house, their > parents allowed a decent old age, their mates given the hope of a job, > and their president able to inspire respect instead of fear and > derision. Even dumb Americans are not dumb enough... But putting the > issue on the ballot allows to claim that. Another genius move. See > beyond it, don't start giving a posteriori validation to this > sexualization of hatred by publishing more papers about the great > homo-hetero divide. Do not dignify these strategies, don't even take > the time to dissect them, reject them, stop writing about racism, > sexism, homophobia, and other anti-....isms for a while, use your > energy to denounce fascism: do not let them tell you what your enemy > is. It is not the red-neck who fights in a bar over Adam and Steve. I > wish it were, this would be an easy one to beat. > > Many of us know most American > people are kind, helpful, generous and respectful of the real valuable > Judeo-Christian and other values: compassion for the week, care for > others, loyalty, honesty, to only name a few, let's stop playing > the blame game. This administration is not only dividing its people to > conquer the presidency, it is attempting to conquer the world - before > Europe and Asia can balance the equation - by dividing the world > between pro and anti U.S. In a self-fulfilling prophecy, they are > trying to make sure Americans feel they are hated so much and by so > many people that they have to be in the perpetual state of war they > have already started as it is the only powerful source to fuel any > fascist machine and feed their bank accounts: look at which stocks > increased the day after the election. That is the reason for the > results, not Americans. If we fall into the trap of also starting > hating ourselves, hatred will profit them ad infinitum. > > Let's show the world and remind > Americans they are not dumb: I am not sure how to do it though, this is > also a plea for ideas, but here are suggestions. > > 1st step: talk to > your students, friends, colleagues worldwide, > and tell them not to buy this so called 3 millions vote difference and > massive American > reaction: Bush was reelected with the smallest margin an incumbent > president > had since W. Wilson in 1918 - Kerry had more votes than anyone in a > looooooong > time - there were 10 percent increase in the youth and African-American > vote (huge increase) - had a majority of voters age > been between 18 and 29, there would have been 3 kerry to 1 bush, etc. > etc. > Reagan was elected by 49 states and even he did not have a big enough > ego to > claim he had a mandate. > Furthermore, though the map > looks red, > there are more people in the blue states than in the red ones, > (California is > more populated than many red midwest states put together). The blue > states pay > the taxes that allow red states the luxury to spend their time > preaching. The > blue states come up with the stem cell research to save the butt of the > red > states that can't wait to ban it. While the red states fear the so > called > terrorists, the blue states get attacked and threatened and attacked > and they > still vote for Kerry. The blue states are trying to save the kids the > red > states do not so gladly sacrifice. > So don't > oversimplify, only idiots, > American or else - stupidy is not confined to national borders > unfortunately, see the world in black and white - and there are plenty > of > those around but there are just as many of us who are not color > blind... There > are blues in red states, and reds in blue states: many states like FL, > OH, NM etc > are in fact purple, half red, half blue. The fact that they are > eventually > painted red because of a few thousands of votes, before many others - > fraudulent and legitimate - are even counted, is another tragic farce > staged by the > media. Remember, in some FL counties, the vote for Bush increased by > 400%, the > population by 2%. If that strikes you as odd, get informed, wonder > where else it happened, and do the math. > But most of all stop endorsing > clich巗 on > lists like this one at least, disseminate facts not words - and do so > worldwide. > > 2nd step: Go to > blackboxvoting.org and send > $5 - only 3 pounds - so they actually recount the Ohio and Florida > votes and > audit all the Diebold machines to start with, then slap a massive > lawsuit for > voting irregularities. It will be in vain, but it will eventually hit > home and > the world will know about it. Everything comes out here eventually, > even when > people like Nixon actually contemplates suppressing an election, it is > eventually known. Americans wondered for a while if this one would be > suppressed. It would have been too obvious, even for the neo-cons - so > they > probably did not suppress many votes either, they multiplied the ones > they > needed. > Stream Air America radio in > your offices if > you get the blue's blues and feel tempted to retake the road most > traveled by > and resume believing them. Send them money so they get more affiliates > and balance the hegemonical falwell-limbaugh logorrhea. > > Offer help to the YD groups on > your > campuses. They are the ones who are going to die id they don't kill > first: we know war is not as pretty as their computer games, we must > protect > them. > > Send them to > http://optruth.org/main.cfm, > that massacre has got to stop. > > Assign comparative studies of > Chomsky's books, Maher's Real Time > show, John Stewart Daily News, Derrida and Habermas on 9/11. Give > students various > viewpoints to help them consolidate theirs, and rhetorical tools to > redefine > terror, recommend a course in critical thinking, repeat the difference > between faith > and fanaticism, religion and cult, morality and bigotry, science and > ignorance. > Truth and lie. Help them stand up to these students that tell them > their > opinion - no matter how uneducated - is as valid as theirs or yours. It > is > simple, they have the right to their opinion, that does not make their > opinion > right: knowledge, experience, research, thought, empirical evidence, > rational > demonstration, expert consensus do. > Don't let your students repeat > the media mantra and tell you someone > objective is someone that equally respects both sides - by which they > mean > theirs. Being objective is founding one's judgment on objects and on > facts - it is unilateral, they should understand that. Faith > is not based on fact, that is why it is called.. faith and not > certainty. Faith has a place in > church and in any one's heart that wishes it. It does not have a place > in > public schools and in the government. A religious based government is > anti-constitutional, it is still illegal in this country. That is a > fact. > > These results on the other hand > are not based on facts, or else we could count the printed receipts. > They may be accurate, and Bush may have won. I am not contesting that > possibility, I am demanding that it be proven to me. This > administration and the press saying they won is, in recent history, the > proof of the contrary. > > If the facts show one side is > illegal, we > can decide to respect it but do not need to give it any argumentative > value, or > even presence. We need to take such a stance, and reclaim the reason > neo-cons > were all too happy to see us trash with the excesses that the eighties > produced. > While we were dictating rules of dating, assassinating the > Enlightenment out of > guilt and opportunism - how many publications did that allow, let us > blame > academic greed or need not Americans - and joyfully distorting Derrida > to claim there was no meaning therefore writing a paper on Madonna was > far superior to reading Smith - when it is only > much easier and faster to go to print - the Straussians were quietly > continuing to acquire every single tools > of powerful communication (aka not academic ones) they would need. And > we even deliver them students who, after our miscontruing differance > for our own benefit, no longer feel the need to justify their claims. > Therefore they are not equiped to even think about demanding their > government did. Now that we have strangled reason, they can better > enforce the ruling of opinion - clearly defined as conform to theirs- > and corner us into a > constantly re-active apologetic position, for which we should blame > them but seem to only blame ourselves. Mistake. They win because they > never blame themselves. Let' s imitate that until we regain the means > to resume being decent. > > We Americans can see that we > screwed > up but not for the reasons they tell us. Do not let them also dictate > how we are going to punish ourselves. Forget blame, we now must act, no > need to keep apologizing for this election. Not need to be gracious and > recognize anything else than their superior will to lie and cheat > people out of their rights. We-the > us did not vote for Bush. Let's affirm that barring voter's fraud, > Kerry > would have won: people from all states, all classes, and all parties > did > mobilize in a massive and unique way. This administration cheats, lies, > kills, > ruins, endorses defamation, profits from wars, steps on the corpses and > maimed > bodies of American kids, disregards its citizens' on a daily basis, > rolls over those of the iraki, > demonizes France as the embodiment of the Enlightenment values they > hate and the secular government they dread, paints every muslim as a > terrorist, claims every evangelical Christian should now consider > himself a saint (gender is important), and no one else is a person of > true faith. > Then Bush gets on a W branded soap-box and claims God is presiding over > all that, and the people know it. > No they don't. Not all of them. Not even the majority of them. As > an agnostic, I find that appropriation repulsive: I am not the only > one, plenty > of 'us' democrats of faith are outraged too. We need to keep upping our > chin and > speaking our language, even if it looks like we are talking down to the > ignorant, > the biased, the bigot. We all know that is not true, democrats do not > occupy > the high grounds. Do not ask yourself what you can do for your party, borrow their rhetoric and demand > that the other party atone for what they are doing to our country . > Quote the Bible, remind them of the description of the Hypocrite. > 3rd step: Start thinking about > how > academics/intellectuals/thinkers - I assume most of us are one form or > another > here? - worldwide can do something practical to counteract this > debilitating > discourse, instead of posting messages rehashing basic propaganda sound > bites. > Film and cultural studies are a > great space > from which to disseminate truth (probably more than philosophy these > days) - I am Deleuzian but I also claim there is such > thing as truth, be it only the opposite of neo-con lies - but to > reclaim the > truth we also need radio shows, tv stations, internet blogs etc. etc. > We need > Michael Moore - the "demoncrat" - to shoot 3 movies a year before > they shoot him too: how can we extend film criticism to work with film > making? > How can we relink philosophy to social and activist praxis? Again, sign > the UCI petition against Derrida's NY Times obituary and assign his > recent works on ethics, institutions and the RIGHT to philosophy. We > need to reconfigure democracy in a global perspective. > > Hint to the editor: could we > put together a > special issue on war images, freedom images, democracy images? Can we > try > something across disciplines, check into what visual sociologists can > do to > help in terms of analysis for instance? Find out what the medical > discourses are starting to say about the war? Can we start an > initiative to work with anti-war military families and gather the > pictures the > soldiers take or send in/from Irak to compile them into a massive > testimonial - > in the US we don't see any real pictures. Thank you Great Britain for > putting what we Americans also think on your magazine covers. > > Let us not waste energy reading > debates, including > what I am producing to say so. It is like for Nader, great guy, bad > timing, wrong battle. Now is not > the time to make a point or point fingers at anyone else than those who > put the world in danger. Now is the time to go to war with one weapon, > our minds, one ammunition, justice, one propaganda machine, reason, and > put all that at the service of those - George Soros et al. - who can > afford the real equipment - media, media, media. Give our message half > a chance to be heard and you will see dumbness fade and red vanish. > > But first of all, let us refuse > to try to understand an > incomprehensible result: let us take it for what it probably is, one > more lie. > Let us Americans not get caught > into the usual democrat > soul searching trip -we are already too good at blaming ourselves, that > is why > we are enlightened and democrats in the first place; introspection, > sense of > responsibility is good, but not now. For once, let us not doubt: Reject > this > "we missed the values factor, we need move to the center (!), we did > not > account for redneck power, we "talked down" to hicks, they don't like > it, they came back with a vengeance etc. Let's start reaching to the > church > groups" etc. Forget that: no surrender to hatred and self-interest. > Plenty > of church goers vote democrat. Plenty of Republican church goers voted > for Kerry. > > If people are > uneducated racist hicks, > religious fanatics, ignorant and delusional idiots, we as educators > have the same ethical obligation as an MD who must fight a disease > even if it is painful to the patient. We need to let them know so, even > if it hurts both them and us, and help > them change, we don't have to say it is Ok for you to be a bigot > because after all, > all values are equal. Ignorance is dangerous, fascism is wrong, and > bigotry is not a value. And I will not let anyone tell me that I am > arrogant or an elitist for thinking that. Sorry, been there, done that, > does not work and lets people far more arrogant, fare more elitist, and > far worse-intentioned take over. No more. Help was on the way, did not > make it on that road due to massive obstruction - it will take another > path. Let us help ourselves and help Kerry and the democrats that > remain in DC keep helping all Americans and their friends around the > world. I have got news, "haven't you heard..." there are many of those > too. > > We did not miss the values > issue, we have > all the values: human rights, healthcare, protection of the > environment, giving > a job to working classes, providing care to 45 million people here and > Aids > help to an entire continent, end mass murdering, stop imperialist wars, > protect > work and make capital accountable, reconcile allies and friends, > protect love - > any form of it. We have tolerance, even for religious fanatics as long > as they > don't turn into murderers. The list is far from being exhaustive. > And we let people tell us we no > longer support values > because we want to allow gay people to get married? It really did not > make the > difference in this election anyway, so let's say so, then add we are > proud of valuing freedom. Democrats were > told they did not support > values when they gave slaves their freedom, female citizens their right > to > vote, African Americans the authorization to drink from a water > fountain, sit > in a bus, walk in a neighborhood, women the right to abort. Let's > tell the world we are the Americans that continue to support equal > rights for > all, whites, blacks, browns and whatever color anyone wishes to dress > her-himself in. > LEt us reach out to those who think that is a real value. Let us tell > the world we do not sacrifice fetuses lightly because we respect life > and they don't, which is also why we do > not send people to die easily, be it on an electric chair, the seat of > a Hummer, the end of an automatic rifle, or even the lack of basic > healthcare. Let us tell the world America has always stood > for progress and that still means a social one. It also means it does > recognize > its mistakes, shortcomings, and imperialism, but democrats are trying > to stop > it, and we will all make up for it. > > "Make no mistake about it" > today, we are the ones who have values, one > of them is to still denounce the same bigotry, greed, arrogance, > anti-intellectualism, oppression, colonialism, hatred too many people - in America and every where else in > the world - have called values for centuries because they have the K to > rewrite the dictionaries and erase the memories. The KKK members claim > they > have values too. So we would have lost because we have so little values > that we > prefer bush's smirk over Kerry's compound sentences? On what planet but > Bushland is that a reality? Bushland is not America. > Neither is the America > that supports Bush. America is all of it, so all America must be given > a voice. > That is not what happened again this time. That is what we need to > change - starting now: challenge the result. > America is a very complex and > powerful > phenomenon. So is every nation, every people, every person, every > being, every atom. Power on the other hand is simple, it is always the > same, every where, but it does not have to be used against people. We > the people can > retake it at anytime. We need the help of us, we need the help of the > rest of the world. This is no longer a nation-state story. This is > about global peace. > > Anyone agreeing with that and > interested in brainstorming > on what our role could be as global thinkers in the building of an > active > coalition strong enough to take on the neo-con war machine, please > contact me. > Spread the word. And change the > record, it is broken. Help > us start the evolution. > Thank you for > your kindness and wisdom, Dr. Jacobs. > > Back to my article > on Sade and the urgency > to rethink... violence. > Respectfully. And > gratefully for the freedom to speak. > > Dr. fabienne-sophie > chauderlot > Ph.D. - MBA > Franco-American liberal humanist > intellectual and proud of it all > > Jason Jacobs wrote: > > I'd like to thank Mark Wenzel for > his considered response to my enquiry (it would have been so easy to > have been patronising, but Mark was considerate and patient), and > everyone for the fascinating discussions. My question was prompted I > suppose by the shock at seeing Martha and Prof. Koehler talking about > 'grief' and 'mourning'. This seemed to me to be a melodramatic response > (not hysterical, I suppose I'm using the concept technically in a film > studies sense) - excessive in the sense it was out of all proportion to > what I perceived as the substantive differences between the two > candidates. This may well be an appropriate response, it's hard for me > to judge not living there. But I do think it is interesting, but > perhaps less excessive than I initially thought. > > By the way I'm a British citizen who > now lives in Australia, and I love America - my research trips there > always confirm the generosity, confidence and openness of American > people that I think many of you may be finding it hard to acknowledge > at the moment. 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