medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
There is a branch of medieval studies with regard to
medicine. And I _suspect_ there were myriad lotions
and potions to "treat" the conditions Jeffrey referred
to in his rhetorical musings about giving various
modern medications to various personages of old. How
reliable are Ellis Peters' references to Cadfael's
remedies and are any of them used for what we might
term emotional/mental problems?
MG
--- Tom Izbicki <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion and culture
>
> Has anyone ever studies medieval ideas of madness?
> Tom Izbicki
>
> At 12:45 PM 8/5/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >I'm agree also, Mr. Jeffrey Woolf, in fact the
> Freud's approach was
> >psychiatric, more than phylosophic or sociological.
> He want to take
> >care of ills. But a shape of psychologic researche
> is present in many
> >medieval theologic or mystical sources, also if we
> don't have a
> >psychology as a science. The medievals make the
> man's "analysis" at the
> >light of Revelation, and of Greek phylosophers. The
> major problem is
> >the connection between the soul and God. Best.
> Claudio Attardi
> > > medieval-
> >religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion and culture
> > >
> > > On Freud- Freud's attitude toward religion was
> very nuanced. He was
> > > evidently very Jewishly literate. His inner
> sanctum contained a copy o
> >f
> > > the Talmud and other Hebrew classics. So, being
> an atheist did not mea
> >n
> > > that religion did not profoundly affect his
> model.
> > >
> > > On Jung, I agree fully with Marjorie.
> > >
> > > Jeffrey Woolf
> > >
> > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Marjorie Greene wrote:
> > >
> > > > medieval-
> >religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion and culture
> > > >
> > > > Dear Claudio,
> > > > Somehow Freud has gotten mixed up in this. I'd
> like to
> > > > point out that, yes, Freud was an atheist and
> believed
> > > > religion was a symptom of neurosis. It is
> precisely on
> > > > this point that he and Jung differ and was, in
> large
> > > > measure, the cause of their break. For Jung, a
> lack of
> > > > connection with God (and I'll admit his
> "definition"
> > > > of God was very slippery) was the principal
> cause of
> > > > emotional strife. And God was to be found by
> looking
> > > > within oneself. His theory of individuation
> (there's
> > > > an ideal version of each person to which that
> person
> > > > must constantly strive) is quite compatible
> with
> > > > spirituality of whatever age. I'm reminded of
> Jung
> > > > every time I read Augustine.
> > > > MG
> > > > --- "[log in to unmask]"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > When I speak of spiritual experience, I want
> to
> > > > > suggest an experience
> > > > > simply different to a psychological one. So
> I’m
> > > > > agree when someone said
> > > > > that there are many differences between our
> social
> > > > > or intellectual
> > > > > structures and the Middle Age. This is
> clear.But
> > > > > the spiritual
> > > > > experience (and I remember that Freud was
> > > > > unbeliever) concerns the
> > > > > relation between one person and God (the
> Christian
> > > > > Godin this case, I
> > > > > speak about the European Middle Age), as two
> > > > > persons, with their
> > > > > ontological structures, always the same,
> despite the
> > > > > history ‘s
> > > > > changes. So the psychological experience
> concerns
> > > > > the historical
> > > > > singular experience(il vissuto, in italian),
> while
> > > > > the spiritual
> > > > > experience concerns the relation between God
> and
> > > > > man, enlightened by
> > > > > the Revelation light. This, according to the
> spirit
> > > > > of medieval man,
> > > > > and our spirit also. Best, and thank you for
> this
> > > > > interesting
> > > > > discussion. Claudio Attardi
> > > > > > medieval-
> > > > > religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion
> > > > > and culture
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Marjorie.
> > > > > > Let's put things into context. The
> > > > > conversation took place in the
> > > > > spring
> > > > > > of 1977 when Duby was just beginning to
> make waves
> > > > > in the US. So it's
> > > > > really
> > > > > > unfair to judge Professor Constable's
> comments by
> > > > > the state of scholar
> > > > > ship
> > > > > > today. Second, he is a wonderful scholar
> and a
> > > > > very open thinker from
> > > > > whom I
> > > > > > learned worlds, so I think the harshness
> of your
> > > > > comment is out of pla
> > > > > ce.
> > > > > > Third, not being a Foucault aficionado, I
> > > > > personally am very cautious
> > > > > about
> > > > > > 'psycho' anything when it comes to other
> periods.
> > > > > Gurevitch has persua
> > > > > ded me
> > > > > > that the emotional and intellectual
> structure of
> > > > > medieval society was
> > > > > very
> > > > > > different than ours. Each generation's
> neuroses
> > > > > were dealt with differ
> > > > > ently.
> > > > > > So, as Barry Rubin has recently argued,
> Freud may
> > > > > have beenirrelevant
> > > > >to
> > > > > > the needs of earlier periods. OTOH, I do
> suspect
> > > > > that living within a
> > > > > more
> > > > > > or less integrated belief system provides
> more
> > > > > emotional support and h
> > > > > ence
> > > > > > less emotional illness, than does life in
> an
> > > > > industrial, libertarian
> > > > > > society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeffrey Woolf
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Marjorie Greene"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:24 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [M-R] Constable response
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > medieval-
> > > > > religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion
> > > > > and culture
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your question to Giles Constable was
> thoughtful
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > very interesting. It's too bad his
> response was:
> > > > > 1)
> > > > > > > non-responsive; and 2) uninformed.
> Perhaps it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > years before psycho-history,
> > > > > psycho-anthropology,
> > > > > > > psychoanalytical art- and literary
> criticism,
> > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > were fully accepted areas of learned
> research.
>
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