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Dear listmembers,
I would be grateful for any help in identification of these two well-put
statements:
1. Unde Augustinus: Penitentia sera raro est vera. . .
An attribution to Augustin is given by my anonymous preacher. Hans Walther,
in his <i>Lateinische Sprichwörter und Sentenzen des Mittelalters in
Alphabetischer Anordnung</i>, also states that this is Augustin but doesnot
indicate a precise work where this could be found.
"Penitentia sera raro est vera" without reference to the author, is quoted
in a sermon #5 earlier ascribed to Thomas Aquinas (in fact, Iohannes de
Verdy, see L. - J. Bataillon, "Les sermons attribués à Saint Thomas:
questions d'authenticité", in <i>La prédication au XIII siècle en France et
Italie: Etudes et documents</i> (Variorum: Aldershot, UK, 1993), 325 - 41,
specifically p. 338, ft. 68.
Otherwise there is no trace of this proverb elsewhere. Searches through
Thesaurus August.; CLCLT4, and PLD yielded nothing.
The only analogue I was able to find is in Augustin's "Liber de vera et
falsa poenitentia" (PL 40, 1114 - 30), 1128, 17,33:
Quae conversio si contigerit alicui etiam in fine, desperandum non est de
eius remissione. Sed quoniam vix vel raro est tam iusta conversio, timendum
est de sero poenitente. Quem enim morbus urget, et poena terret, ad veram
vix veniet satisfactionem. . .
But this is not exactly what I have been looking for.
2. The second query seems similarly hopeless:
. . . dicit beatus Augustinus, quod talis sit ignis nobis visibilis respectu
ignis purgatorii qualis est depictus ignis respectu illius qui apparet nobis
visibilis videlicet in acerbitate.
I am not sure this is Augustin at all, even though the general sense of this
statement is close to the following place in the above mentioned "Liber de
vera et falsa poenitentia" (PL 40, 1114 - 30), 1128, 18,34:
Hic autem ignis etsi aeternus non fuerit, miro tamen modo est gravis:
excellit enim omnem poenam quam umquam passus est in hac vita. Nunquam in
carne tanta inventa est poena. . .
Could anyone help me out here?
Best from rainy Grottaferrata,
Elena Lemeneva
PhD candidate
Medieval Studies, Central European Uni (Budapest)/Institute for General
History at the Russian Academy of Sciences (Moscow)
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