Pete,
The way I understand it there is only one dces schema. There are however
multiple translations of the label and comment tags for that schema (same
applies to qualifiers and types). The language tag is not used for the
multi-language function.
That's odd about the Chinese now working for you. I am using IE 5.5 and it
works fine. What do you get - the unicode? Has anyone else tried it?
Regards,
Harry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pete Johnston [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Prototype Changes
>
>
> [With apologies for my rather lengthy musings below...]
>
> > Very little of the metadata has been
> > translated. Look at
> http://dublincore.org/2001/08/14/dces_de to see what
> > was loaded.
>
> Ahhh! Right, I understand now - that "German language" source
> file still
> contains some of the information about the properties in
> English! That is
> what was confusing me. I was seeing the English language property
> description of dc:rights coming at the top of the list and
> thinking they
> were all in English. My mistake. The interface is working as
> intended, I
> think.
>
> So.... the _only_ place where the language value is recorded is in the
> dc:language property associated with the eor:Schema description?
>
> Is that going to be sufficient? Or are we going to have to
> make a statement
> about language against each of the class/property
> definitions? Or indeed
> against each property within those definitions/declarations?
> In the rather
> laborious fashion I was suggesting at
>
> http://homes.ukoln.ac.uk/~lispj/dc-multi/dcsimple/dctitle-en.xml
> http://homes.ukoln.ac.uk/~lispj/dc-multi/dcsimple/dctitle-fr.xml
>
> I'll be delighted if that is not necessary...;-)... but I'm
> just trying to
> fathom the exact relationship between those different
> descriptions. e.g. in
> the file at
>
> http://dublincore.org/2001/08/14/dces_de
>
> The following statements are "about" the resource
> http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/
>
> <eor:Schema rdf:about="&dcns;">
> <rdf:value>Metadata-Elemente des Dublin Core</rdf:value>
> <dc:title>Metadata-Elemente des Dublin Core</dc:title>
> <dc:creator>Diann Rusch-Feja,
> [log in to unmask]</dc:creator>
> <dc:publisher>The Dublin Core Metadata Initiative</dc:publisher>
> <dc:description>Die folgenden Elemente, Definitionen und
> Beschreibungen
> entsprechen dem Stand der Dublin-Core
> Metadata-Diskussionen.</dc:description>
> <dc:language>german</dc:language>
> <dc:relation rdf:resource="http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/"/>
> <dc:date>2000-07-02</dc:date>
> </eor:Schema>
>
> and in the file at
>
> http://dublincore.org/2001/08/14/dces
>
> The following statements are also "about" the resource
> http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/
>
> <eor:Schema rdf:about="&dcns;">
> <rdf:value>The Dublin Core Element Set v1.1</rdf:value>
> <dc:title>The Dublin Core Element Set v1.1</dc:title>
> <dc:publisher>The Dublin Core Metadata Initiative</dc:publisher>
> <dc:description>The Dublin Core metadata vocabulary is a
> simple vocabulary
> intended to facilitate discovery of resources. </dc:description>
> <dc:language>English</dc:language>
> <dc:relation rdf:resource="http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/"/>
> <dc:date>2000-07-02</dc:date>
> </eor:Schema>
>
> Does either of these explicitly say anything about the language of the
> values of the properties which occur in class/property descriptions
> elsewhere in the same source file? i.e. elsewhere in the file at
>
> http://dublincore.org/2001/08/14/dces_de
>
> I find:
>
> <rdf:Property rdf:about = "&dcns;title">
> <rdfs:label>Titel</rdfs:label>
> <rdfs:comment>Titel der Quelle; der vom Verfasser, Urheber
> oder Verleger
> vergebene Namen der Ressource.</rdfs:comment>
> <eor:comment>Typically, a Title will be a name by which the resource
> is formally known.</eor:comment>
> <rdfs:isDefinedBy rdf:resource = "&dcns;" />
> </rdf:Property>
>
> but I'm not clear what _explicitly_ tells me that the values
> of rdfs:label
> and rdfs:comment here are in German.
>
> All I have to go on from the two eor:Schema elements
> (included above) are
> statements which say
>
> resource http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/
> has property http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/language
> with value "german"
>
> resource http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/
> has property http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/language
> with value "English"
>
> How do these two triples (now completely divorced from the
> two source files)
> help me say anything about the language of the
> description/declaration of
> dc:title which originated in
>
> http://dublincore.org/2001/08/14/dces
>
> which is in English, as distinct from the description/declaration of
> dc:title which originated in
>
> http://dublincore.org/2001/08/14/dces_de
>
> which is in German (actually, it's a mixture of English and
> German, but
> let's imagine it was all in German).
>
> I'm just wondering whether somewhere along the line we're
> assuming something
> about the description of the language of the literal values
> which isn't
> strictly speaking present in the input data.... but I think
> (I hope!) I'm
> just missing something!
>
> I think my real question should probably be, what resource are the
> <eor:Schema> descriptions/models describing? At present, I
> think the two
> instances provide two descriptions of the same resource
> (http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/ ), but I am wondering
> whether they should
> actually describe two different resources (firstly, the English
> "representation" of http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/ and secondly the
> German representation of http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/ ) ?
>
> > Does the Chinese work for you?
>
> Afraid not.... neither in IE 5.5 nor Netscape (4.08)
>
> Pete
>
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