Yes John - I should not "flame" a person and you have spoken fairly back to me.
Simon has asked for any reply to be "off-list" and I respect that too.
What I say here, below, is said with your words firmly respected John. You make,
for me, a very good point.
Perhaps I simply act, at times, in an open political way of old fashioned heated
debate where flames do grow through the windy talk. Sometimes this is, I think,
necessary and it helps democratic debate as it opens up real folk. It opens up
value positions. Such is but one way to open up such value positions.
Why might we think that such can be justified? One part of a justification might
be that there are hidden-flames at work and these subtle forms of flaming are
more powerful today than ever. The making "silent" of voices that cry out to be
heard is done very much and this e-mail and computer world may often silence
those folk that are not inside of the e-mail world. In this it is healthy to
open up, via critical positions, earthy and sweaty debates of the real body. I
give as an example the ways that certain "adventure programming" vocabularies
are becoming globalised. Due to the marketing expertise of AP generally there is
an orthodoxy at work which is a big "flame" in itself.
But Again, John, you have made a fair point. I will not "flame" again on this
list.Your point is well taken.
best wishes
steve bowles
J & B Corcoran wrote:
> Dear Steve Bowles,
> As someone who is definitely overseas, and somewhat international, can I
> ask you a question? If you feel you must flame someone who apologies for his
> reply to a question being sometime after others have ceased discussing a
> theme, why do you do it publicly? Rather as you obviously feel him in need
> of reproach, not address the issue in private. I felt your interjection
> smacked of an attempt at muzzling a person who without doubt has
> contributed much very readerable and understandable to the field. I don't
> feel we need to hear personal attacks, surely the true purpose of this site
> is to promote discussion , education and international understanding. What
> do others think?
>
> sincerely
> John D Corcoran
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Bowles <[log in to unmask]>
> To: Simon Priest <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc: Neil Harrison <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Saturday, 13 May 2000 19:19
> Subject: Re: international outdoor ed
>
> >Hello Simon - As you said , "sorry for a late reply". But as I ask why
> say
> >"sorry"? A so called late reply from anybody is never late unless they
> think of
> >themselves as a most necessary "voice". Simon, why do you not give the many
> >other publications that are available? Why do you only cite your now
> infamous
> >confusion between "adventure programming" and "advenrure education"? Simon
> >there is no need to say sorry and there is no need to think that you are
> >"late". This list is not "overseas" this list is really "international".
> The
> >very use of the term "overseas" is a use that many american folk would feel
> >unhappy with. This list IS international not "overseas".
> >
> >Much better said, by me, is the following reference :-
> >
> >" Outward Bound in the 1990s : making the links" The Journal of COBWS
> Education
> >August 1993. In this text there is another voice that is never having to
> say
> >sorry for being late. Bob Henderson just travels and moves and he just
> writes
> >such texts for anybody to read as they will.
> >
> >Sorry /// sb
> >
> >
> >
> >Simon Priest wrote:
> >
> >> At 15:15 -0700 2000/05/06, Neil Harrison wrote:
> >>
> >> >Can anyone point me in the direction of any articles or internet
> >> >sites on international approaches to outdoor education.
> >>
> >> Sorry for a late reply, I've been working overseas the past few weeks.
> >> Other than my works that have already been mentioned, I would suggest
> >> chapter 5 of our new Adventure Programming book: "A World of Adventure
> >> Education" by Joseph Bailey. Contact him <[log in to unmask]> with
> >> your questions. Also InterCom (the INTERnational COMmunity of AE and EL)
> >> is planning on publishing a book of approximately 20-30 chapters written
> by
> >> experts from their countries and with a definite non-American
> perspective.
> >> Look for this in the next few months.
> >>
> >> REGARDS! Simon Priest, PhD
> >>
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