Hello, The request by Neil for details about international perspectives, a
seemly simple request, has opened up for us in the field of OE research
some issues and ideas that I feel are extremely important for a research
community and perhaps shouldn't be ignored.
For me research not only means finding out about a phenomena or perhaps
evaluating it but also it means critical analysis and locating OE in the
broader social, political and cultural contexts.
For outdoor education, however we choose to define its various facets, to
develop as a scholarly field respected by other scholars, I feel needs to
take a critical, reflective stance. We clearly need to share finding but
also there are times when it is also important to reflect and critique

As a consequence of the dialogue on International perspectives, I can ask
questions like.' who are the 'experts'? Whose voices are going unheard? Are
'experts' largely white, educated males? . What do we mean by
international?

The recent Reith lectures on sustainability given by Vandana Shive
available on www.bbc.radio4. powerfully raises issues around globalisation.
Although seemingly unconnected to outdoor education, we as a community of
scholars can not work in isolation and perhaps on some occassions need to
make a link to the broader serious issues affecting societies and
communities as well as outdoor adventure communities
Barbara  

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> From: Steve Bowles <[log in to unmask]>
> To: J & B Corcoran <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: international outdoor ed
> Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 8:46 AM
> 
> Yes John - I should not "flame" a person and you have spoken fairly back
to me.
> 
> Simon has asked for any reply to be "off-list" and I respect that too.
> 
> What I say here, below, is said with your words firmly respected John.
You make,
> for me, a very good point.
> 
> Perhaps I simply act, at times, in an open political way of old fashioned
heated
> debate where flames do grow through the windy talk. Sometimes this is, I
think,
> necessary and it helps democratic debate as it opens up real folk. It
opens up
> value positions. Such is but one way to open up such value positions.
> 
> Why might we think that such can be justified? One part of a
justification might
> be that there are hidden-flames at work and these subtle forms of flaming
are
> more powerful today than ever. The making "silent" of voices that cry out
to be
> heard is done very much and this e-mail and computer world may often
silence
> those folk that are not inside of the e-mail world. In this it is healthy
to
> open up, via critical positions, earthy and sweaty debates of the real
body. I
> give as an example the ways that certain "adventure programming"
vocabularies
> are becoming globalised. Due to the marketing expertise of AP generally
there is
> an orthodoxy at work which is a big "flame" in itself.
> 
> But Again, John, you have made a fair point. I will not "flame" again on
this
> list.Your point is well taken.
> 
> best wishes
> steve bowles
> 
> J & B Corcoran wrote:
> 
> > Dear Steve Bowles,
> > As someone who is definitely overseas, and somewhat  international, can
I
> > ask you a question? If you feel you must flame someone who apologies
for his
> > reply to a question being sometime after others have ceased discussing
a
> > theme, why do you do it publicly? Rather as you obviously feel him in
need
> > of reproach, not address the issue in private. I felt your interjection
> > smacked of an attempt at  muzzling a person who without doubt has
> > contributed much very readerable and understandable to the field. I
don't
> > feel we need to hear personal attacks, surely the true purpose of this
site
> > is to promote discussion , education and international understanding.
What
> > do others think?
> >
> > sincerely
> > John D Corcoran
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Bowles <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: Simon Priest <[log in to unmask]>
> > Cc: Neil Harrison <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask]
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Saturday, 13 May 2000 19:19
> > Subject: Re: international outdoor ed
> >
> > >Hello Simon  -  As you said , "sorry for a late reply". But as I ask
why
> > say
> > >"sorry"? A so called late reply from anybody is never late unless they
> > think of
> > >themselves as a most necessary "voice". Simon, why do you not give the
many
> > >other publications that are available? Why do you only cite your now
> > infamous
> > >confusion between "adventure programming" and "advenrure education"?
Simon
> > >there is no need to say sorry and there is no need to think that you
are
> > >"late". This list is not "overseas" this list is really
"international".
> > The
> > >very use of the term "overseas" is a use that many american folk would
feel
> > >unhappy with. This list IS international not "overseas".
> > >
> > >Much better said, by me, is the following reference :-
> > >
> > >" Outward Bound in the 1990s : making the links" The Journal of COBWS
> > Education
> > >August 1993. In this text there is another voice that is never having
to
> > say
> > >sorry for being late. Bob Henderson just travels and moves and he just
> > writes
> > >such texts for anybody to read as they will.
> > >
> > >Sorry /// sb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Simon Priest wrote:
> > >
> > >>         At 15:15 -0700 2000/05/06, Neil Harrison wrote:
> > >>
> > >>         >Can anyone point me in the direction of any articles or
internet
> > >>         >sites on international approaches to outdoor education.
> > >>
> > >> Sorry for a late reply, I've been working overseas the past few
weeks.
> > >> Other than my works that have already been mentioned, I would
suggest
> > >> chapter 5 of our new Adventure Programming book: "A World of
Adventure
> > >> Education" by Joseph Bailey.  Contact him <[log in to unmask]>
with
> > >> your questions.  Also InterCom (the INTERnational COMmunity of AE
and EL)
> > >> is planning on publishing a book of approximately 20-30 chapters
written
> > by
> > >> experts from their countries and with a definite non-American
> > perspective.
> > >> Look for this in the next few months.
> > >>
> > >> REGARDS!  Simon Priest, PhD
> > >>
> > >>
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their
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