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[log in to unmask][log in to unmask] 12336 20 51_Re: Reconstructing Film Theory/ Film and [log in to unmask], 24 Feb 2000 09:22:54 -0500 (EST)624_- Although I agree with some of the things said in this discussion and I can sympathize with a feeling of confusion regarding messy and clutterred references that throw in everything including Jacques Derrida's kitchen sink, I think there is a larger problem not being addressed. One of themes of this discussion, if I have interpreted correctly, is that film theory has become esoteric, abstracted from our common physical reality. It has become purely academic only to be shared among sycophantic colleagues. This is the wrong approach. I hope that in pursuing a philolsophical argument we would not be attempting to [...]49_24Feb200009:22:54-0500(EST)[log in to unmask] 12357 34 48_Re: response to celeste on theory and [log in to unmask], 24 Feb 2000 09:30:36 -0600608_- Nice response Reni.

I'd agree that Nietzsche embraces art as the true human occupation. In part,
that's how he rethinks the origin of art. Nietzsche certainly does not
embrace art as something necessarily edifying or progressive (a common
thesis in his time and ours) , but as a Veil of Maya, to rephrase his use of
Schopenhauer, that emerges from chaos and hides the chaos at the same time.
In Nietzschean terms that makes Justice an artful conception: Greek justice
is harsh rather than fair: it is a form imposed to maintain a certain world
order rather than a Platonic [...]44_24Feb200009:30:[log in to unmask] 12392 1037 24_film-philosophy news [log in to unmask], 24 Feb 2000 16:13:20 +0000422_iso-8859-1 // : || ~ ~ : |------->

F I L M - P H I L O S O P H Y
Internet Salon (ISSN 1466-4615)
http://www.film-philosophy.com

February 2000

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The Media Studies Working Group
which brought you
BANG BANG, SHOOT SHOOT! and PICTURES OF A GENERATION ON HOLD

announces

B R A I N W A T C H I N G:
Intellect and Ideology in Media Culture [...]48_24Feb200016:13:[log in to unmask] 13430 23 20_filmstyle&[log in to unmask], 24 Feb 2000 17:12:41 +0100622_US-ASCII I'm looking for literature concerning filmstyle, aesthetics of film and
technology. Mostly I found literature concerning only one of these
topics and not all three together. But there are some exceptions:
For example Barry Salt's "Filmstyle and technology". I think that
this title is one of the best book in these topics, but on the one
hand it seems to be too technical and on the other hand it is
published in the second edition in 1992. What I need is literature
with a similar title and similar topic, more focusing on aesthetics
and published in 1999 or 2000.
Does [...]51_24Feb200017:12:[log in to unmask] 13454 64 51_Re: Reconstructing Film Theory/ Film and Philosophy11_John [log in to unmask], 24 Feb 2000 09:08:46 -0800 (PST)716_us-ascii People have made a few points in this discussion, which I'm going to
distill to the following:

1) Everything is a box-just like film theory.

2) Its not our fault that no one understands us.

3) T.V. bad.

1) The problem with the "Grand Theory" b¼^ªxs

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>>It is no wonder that films have been compared to dreams--it
>>is only rarely that I become aware 'this is only a dream' while dreaming.
>>(sorry about the anecdote)

     anecdote forgiven . . . actually this is
     a VERY interesting suggestion, for note
     how in dreams, as in movies, we are typically
     helpless to do anything but watch and feel
     sensation . . . no one is doubting that
     "fictional" [hypothetical/imagined/imaginary]
     experience can and does cause sensation, only
     that we THINK it is real . . . perhaps the
     point is that in theaters as in sleep we don't
     "think" at all -- i'd buy that . . . it just
     reserves the word "think" for the mental
     process that indeed does know the dif. between
     lumiere's locomotive and amtrak's . . . would
     that satisfy all sides in the dispute??

     mike

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