What's wrong with guilt by association?????   Are you being serious Maria
Stella?  Let me think of an example.  A hypothetical child molester Y is a
male.  X is associated with said child molester Y because either : a. X is a
male - and/or b. X lives in the same street, and/or c. X went to school with
Y, and/or d. X looks like Y, e. and/or X shops at the same store as Y (a
nice analogy to the point I made below).  Therefore - by association -
someone claims/implies/suggest/hints that X is as bad as Y
because......either a, b, c, d, e....etc.

And yes, we are indeed talking about ethics!

kindly

Chris


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maria Stella [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2000 10:45
> To: Chris Perley
> Cc: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Burston Mastellar Largest PR firm
>
>
>
> What's wrong with guilt by association? We are not talking about law, but
> about ethics. Read my proposed book and see (i insist).
> Maria_Stella
>
>
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Chris Perley wrote:
>
> > Which - interestingly - is a claim ("guilt by association")  that also
> > applies to Secrets and Lies.  Shandwicks were the PR firm
> associated with
> > Shell in Nigeria, therefore anything Shandwicks do is a lie, and all
> > comnpanies that hire Shandwicks are connected with murder and
> Greenwashing.
> > As I said - start with a preconceived conclusion, then sift and
> manipulate
> > information to suit that starting point.  Eric von Danekin strikes again
> > (apologies to those who believed in Eric von Danekin).
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> Steven Bissell
> > > Sent: Sunday, 6 August 2000 06:33
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: RE: Burston Mastellar Largest PR firm
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry John, I still don't get it; is BM bad because they are
> big? Because
> > > the make a lot of $$? Too many employees? Look, PR firms work for
> > > anyone who
> > > hires them, almost. But to say that BM worked for Exxon on
> the Valez spill
> > > and now works for whomever, that "proves" whomever is as bad
> as Exxon??
> > > Simply bad logic John. I don't know (or care) about BM, but
> your damnation
> > > by association is propaganda in the worst sense, maybe you
> ought to see
> > > about work at BM.
> > > sb
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John Foster
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 9:54 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Burston Mastellar Largest PR firm
> > >
> > >
> > > Steven,
> > >
> > > Burston Marstellars is the largest PR firm. It made $141
> million in fees
> > > last year and this is slightly more than Fleishman-Hillard
> which raked in
> > > $136 million in fees. Burston Marstellars has 796 employees.
> > >
> > > http://www.prssa.org/topten.htm
> > >
> > > Burston Marstellars is employing Ronald Reagan's appointed
> FDA chief. This
> > > like an artist go to work for a pig farm.
> > >
> > > http://data.free.de/gen.free.de/gentech/1998/Mar-May/msg00132.html
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----------
> > > ----
> > >
> > > And for anyone who doesn't know, the FDA refused to approve aspartame
> > > (NutraSweet/Equal) for 16 years because of the brain tumor issue, and
> > > probably the seizures it triggers.  Then President Reagan
> asked the FDA
> > > Commissioner to approve it when he took office and the FDA
> refused.  So he
> > > fired the FDA Commissioner and put in Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes to do the
> > > deadly dead.  However, there was great opposition so a Board of
> > > Inquiry was
> > > set up.  The Board said not to approve it.  Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes
> > > over-ruled the Board of Inquiry and approved NutraSweet
> anyway, and then
> > > went to work for Burson Marstellar, the manufacturer's PR
> firm.  An FDA
> > > Director going to work for a PR firm is sort of like an Art
> Director going
> > > to work for a pig farm.  And what does an FDA Commissioner do in this
> > > capacity? Perhaps send postcards home from Bermuda!  He has refused to
> > > speak to the press ever since including 60  Minutes who did
> the expose on
> > > aspartame and brain tumors when Dr  John Olney made world news in l996
> > > about the population coming down with the same rare brain
> tumor that the
> > > rats developed in original studies.
> > >
> > > See below how close a relationship between NutraSweet
> (Monsanto Chemical
> > > Company) and Burson Marstellar!  Just like lovebugs!
> > >
> > >
> > >    Burson-Marsteller (NUTRASWEET.com)
> > >    230 Park Ave South
> > >    NewYork, NY 10003
> > >
> > >    Plank, Robert  (RP5083)  [log in to unmask]
> > >    312-840-5701
> > >
> > >    GATEKEEPER.MONSANTO.COM	199.89.234.125
> > >    GATEKEEPER1.MONSANTO.COM	207.150.3.10
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > Monsanto (MONSANTO.com)
> > >    800 N. Lindbergh Blvd
> > >    St. Louis, Missouri 63167
> > >    USA
> > >
> > >    Domain Name: MONSANTO.COM
> > >
> > >    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
> > >       Blaskie, Marcus  (MB2113)  [log in to unmask]
> > >       314-694-8713
> > >
> > >    Domain servers in listed order:
> > >
> > >    Exact same severs!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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