I have been carefully reading through the posts the last couple of days
or so. And I would like to interject in some of these comments. Economics
is the world  in works, so isn't ecology. The problem is in the economic past 
and current.  Goods we use are often thought of coming from the economic 
system,
and not the environmental system. In making these goods there is destruction, 
 we as species human are so dependent on two systems -- I think we sometimes 
forget we are dependent on the ecological-economic system. In some respect 
they are one in the same. The problem is we humans forget this. Rather then
interwining are well being with both, we look at each as special units. 
We damage the environment over money. The problem is that is not
entirely true; we damage our environment because we use goods from the
environment. The economic(money) system is just a tool we humans have 
implimented to get goods from the environment. I don't think it really makes
all the difference if it is capatilist society, communist society, or even an 
anarchist
society. The truth is to survive in any society. We need goods from the earth 
to survive. So let me waive a few hands up in there and say this. Money is not
the root of the problem, but the problem is the way in which humans have
percieved, developed and altered our goods from the earth. From the way 
people have developed, we have learned to take goods in a method which leaves 
pollution. Money is just the tool, our development of using goods from the 
earth is the cause.

Have a good one,
Lisa D.n 



In a message dated 9/16/00 5:32:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [log in to unmask] 
writes:

<< 
 Bissell wrote: "Emma, you define "worthless" as anything you, personally, do
 not like. Are
  you really *that* sure of yourself?
 
 Nancy asked:"****Steven, if it was a man you were responding to, would you
 really question
 the self-confidence of the writer?"
 
 
  Steven replies: You must be new to the list, anyone who has been here for
 awhile knows I question everyone and everything. To quote Robert Anton
 Wilson, "I do not believe in anything."
 
 Nancy pines further"****In other words, if we recognize ourselves as a
 member of the animal
 species or even, god forbid, the global ecosystem, we "abdicate our
 humanity." Now here's a real example of the lack of self-confidence! Not to
 mention a totally pitiful, if not terrifying, "environment ethic.""
 
 Bissell rants: the quote     "To say that "I will not be free till all
  humans (or sentient creatures) are free" is
  simply to cave in to a kind of nirvana-
  stupor, to abdicate our humanity, to define
  ourselves as losers.
                                    Hakim Bey
          The Temporary Autonomous Zone, 1985"
 
 refers to the idea that it is not only not necessary, but probably
 impossible, to achieve total freedom. The best we can hope for is to make
 our immediate environment as ethically sound as possible. "Think globally,
 act locally" is the old saw. I like the quote because it is anti-utopian. I
 think utopian thinking has soiled a lot of environmental work.
 
 so there,
 sb
 http://www.du.edu/~sbissell >>


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