Ken,
Deictic.
Terry
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Sent: Friday, 7 July 2017 10:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Design and aesthetics
Dear Terry,
At the risk of sounding like à grumpy old professor, you are making a massive empirical claim here with no evidence whatsoever for your claims. If one of my PhD students were to claim that 1% of design activity involves a certain kind of design, while defining the "level of design activity = number of people who call themselves designers (or who are identified as doing design work) x number of hours they work on design activities", I would say, show me.
Where are the economic and demographic data that support your claims on the kinds of design activity you identify with different kinds of design? You have repeatedly made different kinds of claims to state that what you label as art and design constitutes some percentage of design activity and you claim that these kinds of designers constitute some percentage of all designers, as contrasted with engineering design activities performed by engineers.
Now you've put a quantitative measure forward -- you state that the figure is 1%. And you've even told us that you define the "level of design activity = number of people who call themselves designers (or who are identified as doing design work) x number of hours they work on design activities."
Gunnar has been asking intelligent questions of the kind that any professor would ask. You have made an empirical claim asserting that your measure is the "same measure as governments use to assess (say) the contribution of creative industries." Those measures are based on massive amounts of empirical data. When you ask a government officer or an economist to show the underlying data, the dig the data out ... and they can often provide series showing the same data for successive years or decades.
Now that you are claiming quantitative expertise using the same kinds of data that governments use, i would like to see the evidence for these claims.
Yours,
Ken
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 19:26:33 +0800, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Hi Gunnar,
>
>Thanks for your message.
>The measure of design activity I'm assuming is:
>
>Level of design activity = number of people who call themselves
>designers (or who are identified as doing design work) x number of
>hours they work on design activities
>
>This is same measure as governments use to assess (say) the contribution of creative industries.
>
>I know that in protecting interests, it is tempting to argue that a small amount of inspired genius work by some (in one group) is equivalent to a huge amount of routine work by others (in a different group). All different groups make that argument if placed in an apparently disadvantaged position. It applies in all fields and all groups. The reality is inspiration and routine are well distributed :-)
>
>All the best,
>Terry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [log in to unmask]
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gunnar Swanson
>Terry,
>
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 8:55 PM, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Just trying to put aesthetics in its place in design activity as a whole – around 1%.
>
>
>What is the unit of design activity? Designers x hours? Design efforts measured in value of stock options? Calories used during design activity?
>
>Gunnar
>
>Gunnar Swanson
>East Carolina University
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