Hi Don,

So you are saying we should not pay too much attention to what is in The
Psychology of Everyday Things and instead put more value on the most recent
edition of The a Design of Everyday Things, even though there is a lot of
overlap?

If one looks at Plans and Situated Actions by Lucy Suchman and The Network
Society by Jan Van Dyke, much of the content of these are similar in
the the pre-2000 and post-2000 editions.

Are you saying I cited the pre-2000 versions in my future publications as I
did in historical publications, that they would less relevant than if I
cited the post-2000 editions?

Jonathan Bishop

On Sunday, 5 July 2015, Don Norman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> ​I want to voice my vigorous agreement with the several posts that
> responded to my critique of the gustatory posting where the most recent
> reference was 1980.
>
> ​Yes, we should not ignore our history. Too many people -- in all fields,
> but especially in the technology fields -- ignore the
> past, thereby ignoring much wisdom and often repeating what has already
> been discovered ("reinventing the wheel" is the common expression).
>
> BUT, in a call for papers, emphasizing the desirability of new findings,
> results, interpretation, one would hope that the call would be aware
> of recent developments. Don't ignore the old, but geesh, don't ignore the
> present. We don't want to ignore history, but neither do we wish to be put
> of date.
>
> I find the absence of any paper after 1980 both distressing and a signal
> that the author is not up to date. I discussed some obvious lapses in my
> previous post.
>
> Similarly, in agreement with the responders to my post, I hope we would all
> be distressed by a paper that only referenced the latest findings while
> ignoring important, relevant historical work.
>
> Don
>
> Postscript:
>
> Um, let me disagree about philosophy. I am friends with a number of faculty
> in the Department of Philosophy. I don't know of a single one that would
> agree with the statement from Keith that "
> ​
> In philosophy, they go back a century and still cannot find anything
> better." I think this is a typical statement by a non-philosopher who is
> not aware that the entire field has changed dramatically. The same error is
> repeated by people who are not within a field: they only know what the
> learned when they went to school, perhaps decades ago, except for perhaps
> reading the popular press, so they are unaware of all the advances in the
> field.
>
> Look, any field for which nothing better has appeared in the past century
> (or even the past decade) is a dead field. The analysis of smell is not
> dead. Philosophy is not dead.  So anyone who only knows papers up to 1980,
> well, that person is dying.
>
> Don
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Lubomir Savov Popov <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Keith's post instigated a new reading of your previous post. At first, I
> > took your text at face value and completely agreed with it. Citing
> > something 30 years old? No way. Ten years max. However, Keith has a
> point.
> > ​​
> > In philosophy, they go back a century and still cannot find anything
> > better. We got too much influenced by the computer fields where six
> months
> > might be a long time. And in architectural design, three years might be
> the
> > limit for sifting through trade magazines.
> >
>
>
>
> Don Norman
> Prof. and Director, DesignLab, UC San Diego
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Jonathan Bishop
BSc(Hons), MSc, MScEcon, LLM
FRSS, FRAI, FRSA, FCLIP, FBCS CITP

Author of over 75 research publications.
Editor of: Examining the Concepts, Issues and Implications of Internet
Trolling; Transforming Politics and Policy in the Digital Age; Gamification
for Human Factors Integration: Social, Educational and Psychological
Issues; Psychological and Social Implications Surrounding Internet and
Gaming Addiction; and Didactic Strategies and Technologies for Education:
Incorporating Advancements.

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