We've been through this before (in 2013/2014), although many of the emails
were expunged by JISCmail because of the patently foolish posts by Bishop.
Of course, nothing is ever really gone from the internet, and they live on
at gmane.org and probably other web archive sites.
I have appealed to the mods of this list to intervene as soon as possible.
Given that Bishop has decided to dredge up the past in his ridiculous
attack against Nicolai (which included me too), I think the door is now
wide open for me to both contact the administration of my university about
the continued harassment by Bishop.
And I have kept records and copies of all emails on this matter since the
very beginning
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*Prof. Filippo A. Salustri, Ph.D., P.Eng.*
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On 23 May 2015 at 14:31, Jonathan Bishop <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Jack,
>
> I was not suggesting anything about Elsevier other than they are profit
> making, so that shows Ken Friedman to be a hypocrite.
>
> Ken Friedman says he opposes profit-making academic ventures, but then has
> his journal published by a for-profit company.
>
> In 2007 I had one of the Hottest Papers in Computer Science in an Elsevier
> journal and that seminal paper now has over 220 citations, being among some
> of the most cited papers in Computers in Human Behavior.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonathan Bishop
>
> On 23 May 2015 at 17:35, jack Ox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Gunnar-
> >
> > I would like to add that Elsevier is one of the most reputable publishers
> > in the scientific and academic world. To even suggest that they are
> > anything less than legitimate is really a joke.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > Jack Ox
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> >
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> > On May 23, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Gunnar Swanson <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Based on previous posts to this list, I have to agree with Nicolai's
> > description of Bishop as a troll. Having seen the interactions in the
> past,
> > I believe that Katherine is mistaken in her assessment that he was
> > criticizing behavior rather than mounting a personal attack. By all
> > appearances, he was retaliating for Ken's previous comments rather than
> > arguing the case in hand.
> > >
> > > He was willfully ignoring the distinction between promoting legitimate
> > academic efforts and the promotion of fraudulent and/or worthless
> journals
> > and conferences. I am not alone in objecting to the economic structures
> of
> > academic publishing but if Bishop does not see the difference between
> > legitimate (for profit) intellectual venues and those that exist only for
> > profit and without academic value, then Nicolai is absolutely right: He
> > should be ignored.
> > >
> > > If one wants to argue the merits of a particular venue, that's
> > legitimate. Claiming that having objected to the promotion of
> > pseudo-academic junk subsequently disallows the promotion of anything is
> > not legitimate.
> > >
> > > Katherine is correct in saying that "It’s a good thing that we
> > collectively and openly discuss what is we feel is acceptable behavior on
> > this great resource" but I would quibble with the characterization that
> the
> > list is something "we have built together." I have been an active
> > participant for about fifteen years but Ken was in from the beginning and
> > has been a mainstay even while other founders have reduced their
> presence.
> > If Ken sometimes seems proprietary about the list, he has earned that
> right.
> > >
> > > In my time on the list, I have seen massive intellectual generosity on
> > Ken's part and cannot remember a real contribution that Bishop has made.
> > This is not to say that Ken is beyond criticism or that regular posters
> > should be treated as if beyond reproach. I have called Ken on the rare
> > times that I thought he was out of line and have no doubt about his
> > willingness to return the favor. It is, however, slightly disingenuous to
> > pretend that he should be regarded as incidental to an effort by a
> massive
> > collective.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gunnar
> > >
> > > Gunnar Swanson
> > > East Carolina University
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > USA
> > >
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