Hi Julie,
We've not played with GVMapper, but for obvious reasons we cannot comment on the quality of a product from another vendor.
FieldMove for tablet pc's is a cut-down version of Move which has been optimized for use with a stylus on a Windows machine. If you have a powerful tablet (e.g. a Microsoft Surface Pro, Panasonic ToughPad, Xplore etc.) then you can take the whole of Move into the field with you.
FieldMove Clino is our smartphone app (scales up to the iPad and iPad mini, but not Android tablets) which is essentially a digital compass clinometer with a built-in notebook and camera. The data is displayed on a basemap of your choice. The app is free, but if you pay for the pro version then you get a bigger library of symbols, a stereonet, and in the iOS version you can draw lines and polygons on your map.
We would regard the Windows stylus interface used by FieldMove (for tablet pc's) and GVMapper as yesterday's technology. Many of us have been hoping to see significant improvements in the hardware and the operating systems over the past few years, but this has not happened. However, the latest developments in Touch screen tablets from Apple and the Android manufacturers are very encouraging. We are currently building and testing a new mapping app that has been built on a better platform for Touch Screen devices - still a bit of work to do here, but it's looking great.
I would encourage you to have a play with the Pro Version of the FieldMove Clino app (US$20), or FieldMove for tablet pc's (free to academics) if you prefer to use a stylus and Windows interface. We regard both as entry points for Move which is a very rich model building environment. I think you will find that the software is sufficiently flexible to cope with whatever geological sector you are working in.
We are always keen to receive feedback on our products, so I hope you will be in touch.
Best regards
Roddy Muir
Managing Director
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Rowland
Sent: 27 August 2014 23:15
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Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
GV Mapper has an english version. The workflows looked really good with easy movement between map and sections. It appears to be very flexible in terms of project set-up. At under USD3000 + 800 per year maintenance for the professional version it seems like a pretty good option. But obviously fieldmove academic is free. As someone who works on mineral and geothermal systems I was concerned by your comments about the limitations with Fieldmove. But, I am not sure if GV mapper is better, though I suspect it is. Comments from anyone familiar with GV Mapper would be much appreciated.
JR
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Pavlis, Terry L [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 9:57 a.m.
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Subject: Re: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
In all honesty, that is the first I had seen GV mapper. It looks interesting, although my bad Spanish made it a bit of a challenge to figure out exactly what all the capabilities of the software were. Hopefully someone will chime in?
Terry
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Rowland
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:07 PM
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Subject: GV mapper versus Fieldmove
Hi all - going in a slightly different direction. Terry, thanks for the great info on your link. Have you or anyone else compared GV mapper, from GEOVECTRA, to Fieldmove? I liked what I saw of it in Chile and wondered if someone familiar with both digital mapping options can comment.
JR
Dr Julie Rowland
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Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 8:50 a.m.
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Subject: Suitability of iphones as digital compass-clinos -- scary observations
Just to follow-up on Terry's comments, and to reiterate some of our own findings that I posted a few months ago ...
We have carried out quite a lot of systematic testing of the suitability of iPhones as compass-clinos for measuring geological planes - and we have experienced very mixed results.
From our point of view, the good news is that ...
(1) we have managed to get good, repeatable results that are approximately as precise as a set of analogue compass-clinos (Silva liquid filled housings, double spirit-level, no electronics).
(2) once we're up and running, using an iPhone is much quicker than any analogue compass-clino we've used; so ideal for taking large numbers of measurements from a single sampling site (e.g. fracture transects).
(3) we've now taken many, many thousand measurements with iPhones that we believe are within acceptable precision.
The bad news is that ...
(1) if we're not very rigorous in setting-up and calibrating the devices, we usually get randomly bad results.
(2) even if we are very careful, the iPhones sometimes don't self-calibrate properly - so we always cross-check the iPhone against an analogue compass-clino before and after a measurement session.
(3) there's no obvious way of examining the device itself to see whether it's likely to be functioning correctly - you must have another device with which to compare it.
So personally, I'm extremely sceptical of the general validity of any orientation data that have been collected with smartphones - unless the user has documented their calibration procedure carefully, and that the calibration has not relied wholly of the device's own calibration [... or until someone has documented why this isn't necessary].
Based on this, I'd also recommend that any orientation data that are published (or form the basis for interpretations that are published) include a statement on the equipment and method used.
... Of course, perhaps implicit in the above is an assumption that the old non-digital compass-clinos that we've used for years are universally precise, accurate and reliable beyond doubt - which really isn't the case at all.
If we get chance soon, myself and/or colleagues will document all the results of our iPhone testing and put into the public domain, so that it's not just ad-hoc comments on a discussion list. Sorry not to have done it already.
Richard
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pavlis, Terry L
Sent: 27 August 2014 20:07
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Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino--scarey observation
For what it is worth, we did a little experiment at an Earthcube workshop 3 weeks ago. Poorly controlled experiment in that we didn't force people to calibrate their devices. Even with that disclaimer though, the results were very very sobering. I think we tested 7 or 8 devices; a couple iphones and a bunch of android devices. There was a spread of about 60 degrees in strike measurements with none closer than 5 degrees of the known orientation (using standard analog compass, which was also confirmed with a "geoclino device"--not geoclino software on a phone, the pricey Japanese device). Not sure what this means since the experiment wasn't well controlled, but it definitely fits what Midland Valley has been telling us, which is "know your phone". It seems the sensors are basically useless in some of these devices, whereas others can be quite good. Depends on how lucky you are with your device?
Terry Pavlis
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From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrea Billi
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
Roddy,
I join Julia with the same problems and errors.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Ciao
Andrea
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> compass app? Neither my nor my colleague's iphone 5S or ipad mini
> produce any reliable measurements. With my ipad mini it is especially
> the northern quadrant that is off by as much as 40 degrees, whereas
> dip directions towards other cardinal directions are quite accurate.
> The iphone is completely useless. I have read that it might be a
> device-specific software problem that is currently being reviewed by
> Apple, but maybe you have already gathered some experience on top of
> what is described in terms of device calibration in your user manual.
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:25 AM
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> Subject: Functionality videos for FieldMove Clino
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> Hi folks,
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> Just a quick note to let you know that we have released four short
> videos explaining how to set up a project, collect data, view and edit
> your data and then export your project from the FieldMove Clino app.
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> The links to the four films can be found on the FieldMove Clino page
> on the Midland Valley website:
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> http://www.mve.com/software/fieldmoveclino
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> We hope that you find these useful.
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> Roddy Muir
> Managing Director
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