Perhaps if they could be paid in kind--so many ounces of food per hour.
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>From: David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: May 6, 2014 1:38 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: plagiarism and poetry
>
>Consider the 'Like' button pressed, Mark!
>
>Although the 'volunteers' are mostly people on minimal benefits and if they
>were paid of course the benefits would disappear with a massive 'whoosh'
>and a huge 'thump'.
>
>
>On 6 May 2014 18:31, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I suppose we could start a charity that collects money to pay volunteers.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Sent: May 6, 2014 1:26 PM
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Re: plagiarism and poetry
>> >
>> >Something like that is supposed to be starting here (as of March just
>> gone)
>> >see
>> >
>> https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-data-release-opens-the-lid-on-charity-finances
>> >
>> >but it's very hard to unravel. I recently went as a 'lay representative'
>> to
>> >an all-day event on presentations from interested charities for some
>> >lottery monies, I won't be too specific. What really stood out to me and
>> >other 'panelists' was that in each case the funds asked for were solely to
>> >support a paid co-ordinator and for their 'office space'. It was assumed
>> in
>> >every presentation that the 'actual work' would be done by 'volunteers',
>> >which as you know increasingly means people working for nothing under
>> >compulsion.
>> >
>> >btw a 2011 list I saw, via the Charity Commision, gave, as the second
>> >highest funded charity in the country, the Arts Council! -
>> >
>> http://www.charityinsight.com/news/income-generation/the-top-100-charity-index-
>> >
>> >
>> >best
>> >
>> >dave
>> >
>> >
>> >On 6 May 2014 17:59, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In this country charities have to make public the percentage of
>> donations
>> >> that actually support the charity's ostensible goals.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >Sent: May 6, 2014 12:50 PM
>> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >Subject: Re: plagiarism and poetry
>> >> >
>> >> >I had not known theft had undone so many.
>> >> >
>> >> >wait a sec ... that's by ... oh and ...
>> >> >
>> >> >Francis Bacon reportedly told Queen Elizabeth, upon her demanding that
>> the
>> >> >author of Richard II be tried for treason, that he should 'rather be
>> >> >charged with larceny, for he hath stolen most of his lines from
>> Cornelius
>> >> >Tacitus'.
>> >> >
>> >> >You can though, earn a reasonable middle-class income via acquiring the
>> >> >status of a poet, through creative writing teaching etc etc, which , as
>> >> one
>> >> >recently recognised 'poet' put it, is much 'better than the world of
>> >> work'.
>> >> >So it becomes awfully convenient to appropriate material for your
>> claim to
>> >> >status. In that respect the articles are misleading - people do make a
>> >> >living out of poetry nowadays, far more so than in the past.
>> >> >It, and not plagiarism, is very similar to what has happened to
>> charities,
>> >> >where the main financial thrust is to support paid 'co-ordinators'.
>> >> >Churches of course are bedevilled by jobsworths - I recall a friend
>> >> showing
>> >> >me a parish newsletter where the incumbent had written 'it is the
>> purpose
>> >> >of a church and its congregation to provide for and support a priest'.
>> >> >I don't think the poetical plagiarists write for 'fame' - but for a
>> >> >comfortable recognition in a quiet corner of happy unseen feeding. Like
>> >> >fish, in the hidden parts of a pond.
>> >> >
>> >> >best
>> >> >
>> >> >dave
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 6 May 2014 00:23, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> So many? I know of a couple ... well, maybe a few.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Monday, May 5, 2014, Max Richards <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Laziness, panic, narcissism, low self-esteem, ambition, deliberate
>> >> >> > self-sabotage: Why so many poets are plagiarizing…
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.poetryfoundation.org/article/247130
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ruth Graham: Word Theft:
>> >> >> > 2013 the year of the plagiarists
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> :: from the desk of Halvard Johnson ::
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >David Joseph Bircumshaw
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>David Joseph Bircumshaw
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