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Many thanks, James and Christopher. I was principally concerned with whether deacons might have preached, and it seems they did.
Cheers,
Jim
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thanks for re-starting this string, James.
i had tried to respond soon after Jim's initial query but apparently The
ListMommie's softwhere didn't care for my comments and they was bounced,
repeatedly.
i'll try again.
From: James Bugslag <[log in to unmask]>
>....what sort of persons would normally deliver sermons in a cathedral (I'm
thinking of the 12th and 13th centuries). In particular, would it include
both priests and deacons?
Jim, as it happens [sic!] i just this morning came across a section in
Guibert of Nogent's treatise "On the Saints and their Relics" wherein he
mentions a certain Erlebald, "deacon of Cambrai" who "had been the chief
guardian of the church and who also **in his many sermons, delivered to people
everywhere** in order to demonstrate the fruit of true confession..."
http://tinyurl.com/bj9ajy2
the new translation does not follow that of of the PL ed., which is the one
most easily available:
[PL 156.619C]
In Cameracensi Ecclesia, ante hoc ferme biennium decanus, qui et summus
aedituus templi fuerat, cui Erlebaldus nomen erat, qui in multis quos
circumquaque faciebat ad populum sermonibus, ad fructum verae confessionis
ostendendum....
G. assures us that Erlebald "had been in the priesthood, where he had
distinguished himself, and was especially close to me in friendship because
of his abundant knowledge of scripture."
[156.619E]
Fuit autem homo iste cum sacerdotio, quo fulgebat, et in Scripturae scientia
copiosus, et mihi valde amicitia affinis....
Guibert is all-too-often an unbelievably Insufferable, Self-Righteous old
Fussbudget, but it is clear from this passage that Deacons were permitted to
give sermons, at least in the Diocese of Cambrai (including perhaps in the
cathedral?), at least c. 1100.
c
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