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That indeed is what the Salutatio is. Until the late 15th century, the prayer consisted of the angel's "salutation" to Mary (Luke 1:28) and her cousin Elizabeth's greeting to her (1:42). The last part of the prayer ("Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners") was added in stages in the 15th and 16th century and papally ratified in 1568. The synodal statutes of Bp. Odo of Paris in 1198 are apparently the first official document to require the laity to learn the prayer, though it had been in popular use for at least a century. Almost all 13th-C synodal legiislation quotes this requirement for laity to know the Creed, Our Father, and Hail Mary.) An anecdote from Hermann of Tournai's "Restorattion of St. Martin of Tournai (1145) is one of the earliest references to the Ave Maria as it was prayed throughout the Middle Ages.
An aside: As a child my sister committed a classic mondegreen when she believed the last part of the prayer was personalized to our family: "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us Shinners."
Best,
John
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Hi Tuija !
My guess is that this is simply the prayer known as the "Ave Maria".
bests,
Frans van Liere
School of Historical Studies
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In his 'Sermo in synodo' (c.1239) Robert Grosseteste adviced his priests
to make sure that each parishener knows their 'Oratio Dominica',
'Symbolum' and 'Salutatio beatae Virginis'. While I assume the first two
to be the Lord's Prayer and the Creed (supposedly the minor for
parishoners? priests are explicitly told to know both the minor and the
major), I am uncertain as what the last is. Could it be the prayer
ascribed to Franciscus of Assisi (Salutatio beatae Mariae Virginis) that
could already such a common prayer in England, or is this some other
prayer?
My interst is primarily in teaching Latin to undergrads of theology, and
to give a little bit history/theology on the side. I still would like to
remain historically accurate, so I am wondering that if I give the
prayer associated to Franciscus in this context from Grosseteste, will I
do historical injustice to England in 1239? Is there any dating
available for this prayer?
thank you for any possible replies,
Tuija Ainonen
Ph.D. student, UToronto / Latin teacher, UHelsinki
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