medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Tom's right, and let's not forget the amazing:
Beverly Mayne Kienzle, ed., The Sermon. (Typologie des Sources du Moyen Age Occidental, 81–83.) Turnhout: Brepols, 2000. Paper. Pp. 998
which includes articles on:
early medieval sermons by Thomas N. Hall;
Old English preaching by J.E. Cross;
12th-century monastic sermons by B.M. Kienzle
sermons by 12th-century schoolmasters and canons by M. Zier
and lots more, including a modest 130+-page bibliography.
George
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On 20 Jul 2012, at 14:45, Thomas Izbicki wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> Tom Amos' article in
> De ore Domini:preacher and word in the Middle Ages, ed.Thomas Leslie Amos, Eugene Green, Beverly Mayne Kienzle.Medieval Institute Publications, 1989
>
> might be helpful.
>
> Tom Izbicki
>
>
> From: "James McCune" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [M-R] Query
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> I looked at preaching on the Continent in the Carolingian period for my PhD
> thesis.
>
> Unfortunately, there is a lack of evidence regarding sermons' delivery to
> say for sure whether they were preached in Latin or the vernacular. I found
> no references to the language of preaching in contemporary literary texts,
> and I know of only one Carolingian sermon collection in which the preacher
> says explicitly that he will speak in the vernacular as a concession to the
> layfolk in his audience (see James McCune, 'Rethinking the Pseudo-Eligius
> Sermon Collection', Early Medieval Europe, 16 (2008), 445-76 (pp. 459-62)).
>
> The canon from the Council of Tours in 813 referred to in Al's email implies
> to my mind that there was an existing tradition of preaching in Latin, which
> was no longer appropriate given the gulf that had opened up between the
> vernacular and Church Latin.
>
> I would presume that actual practice varied according to the venue or
> occasion i.e. when large numbers of layfolk were present on major feast days
> or saints' days, a bishop or priest may have decided to preach in the
> vernacular (for a later period see e.g. Giles Constable, 'The Language of
> Preaching in the Twelfth Century', Viator, 25 (1994), 131-52).
>
> My area of expertise is not Anglo-Saxon England, so I would suggest
> consulting e.g. M. McC. Gatch, Preaching and Theology in Anglo-Saxon
> England: Aelfric and Wulfstan (Toronto, 1977); M. McC. Gatch, 'The
> Unknowable Audience of the Blickling Homilies', Anglo-Saxon England, 18
> (1989), 99-115; M. Clayton, 'Homiliaries and Preaching in Anglo-Saxon
> England', Peritia, 4 (1985), 207-42.
>
> Kind regards,
> James McCune.
>
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> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Larsen
> Sent: 20 July 2012 00:11
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> I've wondered about this issue in reference to the Council of Claremont,
> where Urban II gave his famous sermon. The audience included both northern
> and southern French, I believe. The accounts tend to emphasize the crowd's
> reaction ("Deus lo volt!), as if the audience hear the sermon, understood
> it, and immediately responded enthusiastically. So was it preached in Latin
> with translators, or in Occitan (Urban, IIRC, was from southern France and
> so probably knew Occitan), with a translation into Northern French?
>
> Andrew E. Larsen
> Marquette University
> On Jul 19, 2012, at 5:37 PM, John Briggs wrote:
>
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> > On 19/07/2012 23:23, James Bugslag wrote:
> >>
> >> George,
> >> Was it that straightforward? Preachers moved about a lot. Their mutual
> knowledge of Latin meant that they could converse with each other, but, for
> example, when St. Bernard made a preaching tour of Germany, if the sermons
> were to be in the vernacular, he would have had to have a translator handy,
> I would imagine.
> >
> > Or he didn't preach to people who didn't understand Latin.
> >
> > John Briggs
> >
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