That's very sad, but a good point. I may be a bit naive because I haven't had to worry mas uch about direct competition.
However, I do find it very frustrating as a reviewer to try to pass judgement on a crystal structure based only on the standard table 1. Sometimes I'm tempted to write "based on the information presented, darned if I know!"
Maybe 3rd-party validation through the pdb (with a report sent to the reviewers) is more appropriate?
Phoebe
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Phoebe A. Rice
Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
The University of Chicago
phone 773 834 1723
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---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:00:48 +0200
>From: Maria Sola i Vilarrubias <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>
> Dear Phoebe,
>
> I cannot imagine myself delivering maps and
> coordinates (after years of work... I insist: after
> years of work) to a reviewer that could be, for
> whatever chance, my best competitor (even if I
> suggested to the editor not to include him/her as a
> reviewer... but decisions from editors are of all
> kind).
>
> I simply prefer not imagine this after two
> publications fuelled by clear, direct and strong
> competition. That was stressful enough, already. If
> I have to add to this stress the thought that my
> coordinates can go to the "wrong" hands, then I
> think I would just give up or, alternatively, send
> the work to a lower impact, fast-publishing journal
> and make my life easier while sending my scientific
> future to the low-impact bin, killing future
> opportunities.
>
> Competition is there. I see that data to be
> deposited is strictly confidential. I support the
> PDB to make the quality check work at the level you
> mention, but not a reviewer: People are nice but
> the world is big and competition is crazy… at
> least enough to make fraud or copy other's work. The
> latter is less difficult; by copying ("simply copy
> and paste to my computer this nice structure that I
> was looking for!"), there is no need to invent
> anything.
>
> About a wrongly fit compound, the reviewer can ask
> images about the model in a map calculated at a
> specific sigma and in different orientations.
>
> Maria
>
> On 2 April 2012 18:43, Phoebe Rice
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Can we leverage this to push journals to routinely
> allow reviewers access coordinates and maps?
>
> Outright fraud is outrageous, but I'm actually
> more worried about ligands fit to marginal density
> and other issues of under-supervised model
> building.
>
> =====================================
> Phoebe A. Rice
> Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
> The University of Chicago
> phone 773 834 1723
> http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/01_Faculty/01_Faculty_Alphabetically.php?faculty_id=123
> http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:41:02 -0700
> >From: CCP4 bulletin board <[log in to unmask]>
> (on behalf of "Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat
> a.D.)" <[log in to unmask]>)
> >Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends
> in Data Fabrication
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Robbie has restored the PDB_REDO of 3k78
> >
> >
> >
> > It is at
> www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo/others/3k78.tar.bz2
> >
> >
> >
> > and Louise Jones form the IUCr office has
> kindly
> > made the article open access.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://journals.iucr.org/f/issues/2012/04/00/issconts.html
> >
> >
> >
> > BR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: CCP4 bulletin board
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Bernhard
> > Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 06:06
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very informative -
> Trends in
> > Data Fabrication
> >
> >
> >
> > >Hofkristallrat auA*er Dienst, is
> written as
> > Bernhard - unless you are referring to some
> other
> > guy with a french name Bernard.
> >
> >
> >
> > As one may extrapolate given my recent paper,
> I have
> > been called names a lot worse....
> >
> >
> >
> > A* And the book indeed is a bible of
> xtallography.
> >
> >
> >
> > Enough of this - it is becoming embarrassing.
> I wish
> > I had done a more careful job proofing, as
> over 500
> > errata attest to,
> >
> > and we all are only seeing further because we
> are
> > standing on the shoulders of giants. So once
> again
> > thanks
> >
> > to all the contributors I have pestered with
> my
> > questions on BB and then some, and to all
> those who
> > actually read BMC and
> >
> > submitted errata.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards, BR
> >
> >
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> > cast tall shadows
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> >
> >
> >
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