medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
From: Robert Kraft <[log in to unmask]>
> On producing "publlshed" works from notes taken, recall Aristotle's
"Nichomacean [and other's] Ethics" for an early example of a listener's
notes becoming the text.... And apparently Origen used (official?) recorders
to produce some of his works.... There seems to have been a long tradition of
this sort...
yes, it would (intuitively) seem to be the "natural" way for any "author" to
arrive at a written text of information which was originally delivered orally,
in an essentially extemporaneous (albeit thoughtful) fashion.
sure, Bernie *could* have written out his sermons longhand and delivered them
in a dull, reading monotone --but where would then the *Fire* have been?
esp. if he needed to juice up a bunch of warrior jocks to go out to the Ends
of the Earth and Do Battle with the Heathen Hoards?
not much Salesmanship in just reading a text.
besides, not even speaking from notes would impress his listeners even more...
"Inspired by the Holy Spirit itself," as they might say, recalling the event.
>Surely there must be a vast modern bibliography on these matters, although
that might not help CC in his quest(s).
no.
esp. as CC is rather beyond "help," being most noted for his extreme Laziness,
and constant seeking to Pique the Cervelles of others who have actually
bothered to read up on the subjects he is idlely curious about.
(well, not exactly "idle," i suppose, since this is part of a little project
he's been working on --on and off-- since about '69.)
thanks anyway, Bob.
c
> Christopher Crockett wrote:
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> >
> > i "accidentally" came across a non-academic discussion of "Information
> > Hoarders"
> >
> >
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/25/information_hoarders_salpart/?source=newsletter
> >
> > which happened to contain this interesting Factoid:
> >
> > "Taking notes during sermons started in the Middle Ages. The work of a
great
> > sermonist like Bernard of Clairvaux survived because he would plant a
> > secretary in the audience to take notes while he preached. Bernard would
> > finalize his sermon based on these notes and release it for 'publication'
by
> > copying."
> >
> > does anyone know where i might find a serious discussion of Bernie's
methods
> > for putting together the final, "published" versions of his sermons?
> >
> > i suppose that the subject might be discussed somewhere in Jean
Leclercq's
> > "Recueil d’études sur Saint Bernard et ses ecrits" (Rome: Edizioni di
> > Storia e letterature, 1962)?
> >
> > or not?
> >
> > or where?
> >
> > specifically, the historian of the 2nd Crusade, Odo of Deuil, says that
Bernie
> > preached a sermon on the third day of the great council which Louis VII
> > assembled in February of 1147 at Etampes, at which Suger was designated to
be
> > Regent during the king's absence in the East. (Odo also tells us that the
> > council began on "Circumdederunt Me Sunday.")
> >
> > i am trying --with no success, as yet-- to identify what the subject of
that
> > sermon might have been.
> >
> > i can't seem to find a pre-lent sermon which fits in with the Mare's Nest
i am
> > trying to construct, so i'm reluctantly coming around to the opinion that
this
> > particular sermon was never "published."
> >
> > being severely Sermoniacally Challenged, any thoughts on how i might go
about
> > solving this little Conundrum would be greatly appreciated.
> > c
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