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If you want to make it even more confusing, you can throw the Orthodox in, where New Style was adopted by some (but not all) of the Orthodox churches in the 1920s, but refers to the "Revised Julian" as opposed to Old Calendar, referring to the Julian (which is why the Russians, Serbs, Jerusalemites and Athonites all celebrate Xmas on January 7--it's actually December 25 on the Old Calendar; but the Greeks, Antiochians, Alexandrians, and Romanians celebrate on December 25; but both calendars share a common date for Easter).
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From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Crockett
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Subject: Re: [M-R] Quadragesima, 1147
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From: Frank Morgret <[log in to unmask]>
> If the "New Style" = "Gregorian" and the "Old Style" = "Julian" and the
12C French style started their year on Easter,
then they might compute their dates of Lent for a given Easter using the
data for what for us would be the
preceeding year.
> Sufficiently confusing yet?
No.
maybe if you had some sort of visual aid...
>No? Try my handy chart.
Jubilate
> French: Ash
> Wednesday
> Easter 3rd Sunday after Easter
> 1 Jan 1146 13 Feb
> 1146 31 March 1147
> 20 April 1147
>
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> Rest of us: Last day to buy a
> Monday after Easter
> 1 Jan 1147 Valentine
> Laetare (4th Sunday
> 20 April 1147
1147
in Lent) 1147
> There. That should make it all clear as mud!
would that Mud were as clear as that handy chart, Frank.
don't quit your Day Job.
what's your point?
> My point? If the French started their year on a different date than 1
January,
which they did, at least in the Royal Domain.
after all, what the hell is 1 January, compared to, say, the date of the
Resurrection of the Son of the Creator of the Universe?
it's just a fundamental matter of getting one's priorities straight, seems to
me.
>they might use a different year from us folks today in computing Easter.
well, you completely lost me there.
the "year" is used in the computation of the date of Easter?
i thought that Easter was always the Sunday following the Paschal Full Moon
for any given year.
>If they used 1146 computations,
the Paschal Full Moon changed from year to year, obviously, but i don't get
how "1146 (n.s., i assume) computations" could be used to calculate the date
of Easter, 1147 (n.s.).
>the first week in Lent for them becomes 13-19 February in what we call 1147
Julian.
however, i do so much like this date, since it meshes nicely with the Mare's
Nest i have under construction as we speak.
i'd love to understand how you arrived at such an extraordinary factoid.
> Thus, on the moveable feasts, the French would be out of step with the rest
of us.
sounds like a thoroughly Brit-o-Centric statement, Frank.
>My knowledge of middleevil liturgicks is dim,
then you may not know any more about "Circumdederunt Me Sunday" than i do.
>but it seems to me there was a lot of folks being out of step in the time
we are talking about.
yes, but they didn't have access to The Innernets, so they were not as aware
of it as we are.
>Hope this helps.
so do i.
>If you need to be further confused, just let me know.
well, as Mark Twain might have said, "No Bottom. There's No Bottom on this
line."
always room for further confusion.
c
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