Dear Bijan
I do agree. Sometimes I think it will be better to leave the email list
to escape from those kind of endless emails :(
Sara Rakei - PhD Candidate
Istanbul Technical University
Institute of Science and Technology
Industrial Product Design
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Bijan Aryana <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Gunnar,
>
> You have selected some of my sentences, and some other are missing. I
> think it is clear that a mailing list is different from a forum, and we
> have different tools for each, and I am not the only one who has this idea.
>
> I don't like to start another endless discussion, but there are around
> 2000 people in the list, and if most of them do not share anything, it
> doesn't mean that they are "opportunist" type of people ( as you may think
> about me). It means that we are not using this list in a helpful way.
> Of course, I saw examples of useful exchanges, I saw some PhD students
> share their subjects, ask for collaborations, search for references. There
> are also quite useful calls for publications, jobs etc, and sometimes very
> good links about research projects. That is what many people who join this
> list like to see.
>
> When there are so many emails focused on a complex theoretical discussion,
> people may miss some opportunities in other types of the emails. You may
> remember that some people send emails to the whole list few months ago,
> asking for a way to unsubscribe!
>
> So, there are some problems here. You may have some suggestions for
> improving it, but you can not "completely ignore me :-)
>
> Bijan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark
> Ransom
> Sent: 12. desember 2011 14:49
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
>
> I agree ! As a recently started part-time PhD student many of the
> discussions appear to be a dialogue between a few who keep point scoring
> until somebody gives in.
>
> Mark Ransom
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bijan
> Aryana
> Sent: 12 December 2011 13:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
>
> We are the design community and still using old fasioned email exchanging
> method for discussions! This list would work better if we focus on things
> that can help us to improve our knowledge and career, rather than endless
> discussions without any certain outcome. Is this a mailing list or a forum?
> Look at the number of members and then look at the number of people who
> participate in the endless discussions. That explains everything!
> And, look at the title of the list : This list is for discussion of "PhD
> studies" ..... Many people forget about that! Were are PhD students?!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Terence Love
> Sent: 12. desember 2011 14:28
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
>
> Hi Karen,
>
> You wrote (about Ken's posts):
> <snip> ' The only thing I think is that's been bugging me is his writing
> style which has usually been the *detailed thesis style* with all the
> minute details in. It's good on the learning front but I think it's still
> good if the entire process could be much quicker and far succinct. I don't
> know how others think, but it can sometimes make you either 'cry' or
> astonished by the amount of content that is pushed in on an online forum.'
> <endsnip>
>
> This situation can be a technology issue rather than a writing issue.
> Content-producers and content-receivers are different, and since the
> advent of the iPad and similar devices they often use different
> technologies.
> On a desktop computer arranged for efficient content-production, Ken's
> emails look like short posts. In contrast, on an iPad or iPhone
> (content-receiving devices), the same emails look like long documents.
> The other side of it is that it's enormously easier and faster to use an
> efficient content-production computer to create substantial academic
> documents than to use a device primarily meant for content receiving.
> Cheers,
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
> research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen
> Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2011 3:42 PM
> To: Dr Terence Love
> Subject: Re: Learning how to write from Ken
>
> Dear all,
>
> I don't think Prof Friedman missed the points. Quite conversely, I think
> he has always been able to include most of the points, if not all the
> points in an email/s. The only thing I think is that 's been bugging me is
> his writing style which has usually been the *detailed thesis style* with
> all the minute details in. It's good on the learning front but I think its
> still good if the entire process could be much quicker and far succint. I
> don't know how others think, but it can sometimes make you either 'cry' or
> astonished by the amount of content that is pushed in on an online forum. I
> think a different line of approaches would be good. 'cos every problem,
> being et cetra is unique on its own. No one (type) fits all.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> Karen Fu
> playing on ideas on her iPad
> and a list of other fun little tools.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Rosan Chow <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> > Ken Friedman has written a post in way that is quite typical of him, I
> > suppose. I have time on my hands and would like to learn from him. So
> > I
> did
> > an analysis of his post (in inserted comments): Here is my conclusion
> > on how to write the Friedman's way:
> >
> <snip>
>
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